BLM & statues

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I am reminded of something Winston Churchill said:

“If the present sits in judgement on the past, we lose the future.”

Something to ponder as protesters try to edit the physical links to our history.
Attitudes change. We no longer endorse many opinions of the past. But we must recognise that they existed.
I would rather see a supplementary plaque added than the entire removal of historical figures from our landscape.
Lt James Cook did not ‘invade’ Australia. He mapped its eastern coastline. The British government of the day decided to offload surplus prisoners here... and it took them more than 10 years to come up with the idea.
Perhaps the BLM protesters should travel to England and burn down 10 Downing Street, rather than remove Cook’s statues here.
(A rhetorical suggestion... not to be taken literally.)
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I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to abolish History as an educational subject.

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Most of what we were taught in school on Australian history is no longer taught. Destroy the past and future generations will not remember the lessons learnt.

Shifting to the USA and destroying any thing to do with slave owners has any one seen mentioned any of George Washingtons statues being destroyed. He is the father of the good old USA And was a slave owner.
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Maybe the real date of Cpt Cooks arrival should be put right. :lol:
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We didn't have slaves, we had convicts and others that worked for food and a roof over their head. If you think about it, we are probably all slaves to something or another, the days of a free ride are long gone.
If anyone has read the unsanitised version of Robinson Crusoe, he not only made the black man his slave but he also did a deal with him as thanks for all his help of only harvesting slaves from his village for a restricted time, then they would all be free .... very generous considering they weren't slaves before .... but they were probably slaves to the tribal leader ..... working for protection, food and a safe place to live and raise a family. All "civilised Society" has done is replace the safety. food and accommodation with tokens that can be traded for food, security and accommodation, we just need to be a harder working slave to afford all of those things at a slightly higher level.
Equality for all, just some being more equal than others gets labelled communism or socialism, but the original tribal system wasn't much different was it, but no one called them communists or socialists, just savages ....... how lucky we are now that we are civilised :?

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Just thinking. If we removed all reference to the past that offended everybody there wouldn't be anything left. For instance in Port Lincoln the statue of Matthew Flinders would be in trouble as he has a cat that could upset the greens as it is an introduced pest and or course Matthew Flinders would also be a problem. I am not to keen on horse racing as I think it can sometimes be a bit cruel and full of corruption so the statue of Makybe Diva should go. The Tuna Poler statue would upset the vegans so that will go. I suppose the statue of the Bob Tail lizard could stay unless it happens to be a totem god of the local indigenous community. The whole world has gone mad.
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Terry, thousands of indigenous were enslaved and worked in chains, then there was the blackbirding of pacific islanders, who were kidnapped and forced here to work in cane fields etc. Lachlan Macquarie, the governor of NSW, brought to young black boy slaves with him to govern NSW and encourages others to import slaves, luckily there were enough slave convicts here to do all the work. They were indentured out to free settlers to work for them and no different to slaves.

What's the difference between forcing people to Aus because they lived on the streets or stole some food to survive and doing the same with Africans, it was all about forced labour to develop the British empire. Both were treated very badly by their supposed christian masters.
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If there had been no white settlement in USA there would be no B in BLM. They would have been stuck with All Lives Matter.
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I have often wondered with all the political unrest of BLM so-called "Protests" etc what would happen if I painted on Ayres Rock
"White Lives Matter" in very large letters with an extremely toxic white paint, so even when removed would it scar the rock for perpetuity.
If it's good enough for the Aboriginal side of Australia to paint and deface our icons it should be OK to level the playing field.



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Noggins wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:08 am I have often wondered with all the political unrest of BLM so-called "Protests" etc what would happen if I painted on Ayres Rock
"White Lives Matter" in very large letters with an extremely toxic white paint, so even when removed would it scar the rock for perpetuity.
If it's good enough for the Aboriginal side of Australia to paint and deface our icons it should be OK to level the playing field.
Ron
Ron, to the best of my knowledge, those defacing statues happen to be anarchists and not indigenous. The defacing of cooks statue was done by a Chinese woman who works for the greens and a European academic woman, just wastes of space. It's the same with BLM, most are not indigenous and those that are don't represent the indigenous communities, who couldn't care less about statues. In Cooktown, indigenous are fully involved in the celebration of Cooks arrival there, the story behind it is very interesting and not as assumed by most.

The problem we face today is everyone seems to put everyone else in the same basket, rather than look at the facts and see most of the antagonists don't represent indigenous people in any way. You only have to look at their lifestyle and dress to see they are just wastes of space wankers and not real indigenous. In the USA it's a different matter, they have a massive problem there with outright racism. In Aus, most screaming racism are wastes of space living up to the worst aspects of western society and if any are indigenous, then they are a very very small minority.
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