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I think this will happen

Already is, my friend in NZ has a perfectly good car up in her barn as can't afford the new battery. Cheaper to buy old cars.

Dot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:08 pm Already is, my friend in NZ has a perfectly good car up in her barn as can't afford the new battery. Cheaper to buy old cars.

What sort and model Dottie?

T1 Terry

2foot6 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:20 am 294016553_755913748781843_5669796389419565020_n.jpg I think this will happen

You betcha it will happen, just like getting a bill for a new transmission or engine ...... in all these cases, reconditioned is an option at a much lower cost ..... the thing is, will the local garage still be there to put it up on the hoist? Once ICE powered vehicle leave the road, where will their work come from? Tyres and windscreen wiper blades won't keep the doors open, if they don't up-skill to battery maintenance programs so the "you need a new battery" never suddenly hits the EV owner for a six, then they will have to find a new line of work.

Casing sensor faults, just like in the computer controlled cars these days, will fall to who? The auto sparkies or the mechanics?

Those who set themselves up early to cater for EV's will get the biggest slice of the action, those that go into battery reconditioning and servicing will make money, even if it is re purposing aged EV cells for house power systems ....

T1 Terry

For my two Bob's worth, the mob that find a way to recycle solar panels and wind turbine blades and maybe even lithium batteries (or whatever the EV batteries will be called in a few years) will be the new cashed up tradies. So much of this stuff goes into landfill at the moment.
Having said that, I don't really know where all the new EV's are going to come from, the motor manufacturers of the world are significantly behind the play at the moment.
It's 14 months wait for a new Toyota Prado at the moment, so my BiL informs me. He just ordered one.

supersparky wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:16 pm For my two Bob's worth, the mob that find a way to recycle solar panels and wind turbine blades and maybe even lithium batteries (or whatever the EV batteries will be called in a few years) will be the new cashed up tradies. So much of this stuff goes into landfill at the moment.
Having said that, I don't really know where all the new EV's are going to come from, the motor manufacturers of the world are significantly behind the play at the moment.
It's 14 months wait for a new Toyota Prado at the moment, so my BiL informs me. He just ordered one.

They already recycle lithium batteries, both EV revamped to house storage and end of life into their base components. Once the chemistry choice stabilises, I expect the new wonder product will be replacement electrolyte and many cell rebuilders will appear in the market place.
Remember back when they rebuilt lead acid batteries? Back when the material that made up the cells was built to last, not like the crap they sell these days ....

T1 Terry

This is the reply from Sue in NZ re the battery car.

..(I can't remember the make of car ,it belonged to my friend Dawn & she's passed away. I got rid of it as her rellies didn't want it Might have been a Tesla?? it was petrol/ electric car only had it from new about 16 months & was told the battery was stuffed..It was a hellova price ,I couldn't believe it when she told me what it was going to cost for the battery so she left it here.)

Dot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:50 pm This is the reply from Sue in NZ re the battery car.

..(I can't remember the make of car ,it belonged to my friend Dawn & she's passed away. I got rid of it as her rellies didn't want it Might have been a Tesla?? it was petrol/ electric car only had it from new about 16 months & was told the battery was stuffed..It was a hellova price ,I couldn't believe it when she told me what it was going to cost for the battery so she left it here.)

Sadly, there are always those who will try to con those that don't know better. I'm guessing it was a Pius because they were the only hybrids available up until around 2004 when Honda released a Civic hybrid to counter the gen 2 Prius and these were the first world released hybrids available. A few others got in on the act around 2010 when the Gen 3 Prius was released. I doubt it would have been newer than a 2012 because all hybrids since then have a 10 yr battery warranty, so the replacement would have been free.
A new genuine battery for a Prius Gen 2 is only around the $1,800 mark, reconditioned around the $800 mark, anyone who has priced a new motor or reconditioned motor will understand that this is roughly on par as far as cost go. I bought the second hand battery for my Prius for $400 about 5 yrs ago, the old one was about 12 yrs old.

T1 Terry

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If you think electric cars are doing your bit please read this.
So much for electric cars from an NZ mechanic!
Had to work on a Nissan leaf last week. A $30,000 car with a crook battery.
No one in town would work on it and as he had done a course it was given to him. He got the tutor up from Dunedin polytech to help.
One crook module in the battery was shorting to the case. A secondhand module is able to be fitted, but they need to be in exactly the same condition as the remaining ones (85.2%) or the entire battery fails.
So the owner was left with the option of a secondhand battery out of a wreck that has no guarantee at $14,000 or a new battery at $20,000.
Then there is the problem of disposing of the old battery or part battery. Nothing is available and No-one willing to transport a damaged battery.
Specialist transport is available, and the cost to have one module (out of 24) transported to Australia and disposed of is around $5,000.
On top of all that, the tutor went through some of the legislation around EVs with him.
So if one is involved in a crash, and people are trapped inside, the fire brigade has to isolate the battery before they cut into the car.
In a leaf, the isolation plug is under a bolted cover on the floor between the front and back seats. Once the cover is removed, the 3 pairs of gloves required by law are to be fitted, cotton, rubber, and leather. Then with hands resembling lamb roasts they can try and disconnect the 3 stage electrical plug. Then they can cut into the car.
So the problem with crashing any EV is that if you are trapped, you're dead, as it is impossible to remove victims. Also can't put a battery fire out. Water makes lithium burn. They forgot to tell you this part!