Overheating issue-advice.

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Re: Overheating issue-advice.

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jon_d wrote: Sat Nov 07, 2020 9:16 am
"The 1st time the buzzer /light activated I stopped, idle for a few minutes, then shut down, on checking coolant in overflow tank observed to be full/overfull, if that makes sense"

Expansion into the tank is expected. As the water heats up, it expands and builds pressure. The cap releases and the water flows into the expansion tank. If the cap is old, or wrong pressure rating, the cap can be releasing to early and causing problems. (boiling or pump cavitation.)

When the motor cools down, a vacuum is created and sucks the water from the tank back into the radiator.


With out knowing/seeing the bus, I'd replace the bottom radiator hose (suction side of the pump) and the radiator cap (with the correct pressure rating) as a precaution and first step.

Next would be the radiator flush/recore and pump inspection/replacement.
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There is so little information about the OH1418, are radiator caps generic, there is only one on the expansion tank.
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Re: Overheating issue-advice.

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are radiator caps generic,
They used to be.....

They are a pressure release. Remembering that water boils at the higher temperature when under pressure. So, it's important to get the right pressure as well as size.

https://www.tridon.com.au/products/Trid ... iator-caps
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I guess the next step is to figure out what is the correct pressure and size, as the current one has Merc stamp but no part number.

Current cap looks a little perished around the rubber
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Re: Overheating issue-advice.

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That cap needs replacing, while it appears the actual ring where it contacts the surface it is fitted to seems ok who know what happens when it gets hot. It could also be leaking enough to prevent coolant being returned to the cooling system as it cools down which eventually leads to an overheating situation.
Also be aware that lots of temperature sensors show as being cool when they don't have coolant around them so no coolant shows up on the gauge as cold! Toyota ones quite often react in that way.
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That cap is stuffed, with all those surface cracks it couldn't hold any great pressure and would lower the correct pressure in the radiator, as well as allowing air back into the system instead of drawing water / coolant back into the system when cooling.

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Thanks all, I figured on closer inspection is was stuffed.

However all the trimdon ones are the wrong size.

Next trip to Perth on the search.

Any hints on what would be the correct pressure?
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Re: Overheating issue-advice.

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The question that hasn't been asked, even though you were driving on relatively flat ground, was the motor being lugged at a low RPM in a tall gear? This will cause over heating in a diesel engine because the high torque will keep it pulling but that does generate a lot of heat. The exhaust gas temperature gauge that NP mentioned will tell you real quick if your driving technique is causing the problem, it will go up well ahead of the coolant temp because there is a lot of mass to absorb the heat within the engine block and heads and a lot of water to heat up as well.
As has been mentioned, the temp gauge and the light/buzzer are on different circuits and use different sensors, so it the gauge and the buzzer says it's hot, it is hot ;) Generally the light buzzer will not come on until the temp gauge has virtually maxed out, the difference between hot and real hot and you need to do something now type of thing ....
If you get the radiator core cleaned, be sure to fit a Tefba https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_nkw ... gKyafD_BwE or similar filter in the top radiator hose to catch any junk trying to get back into the radiator to block it up.
As far as that radiator cap, if you can find a cap with the correct depth between the cap clamping mechanism and the rubber to ensure the rubber does actually seat before the clamping takes effect ... that need to push down on the cap to get the lugs past the safety stop is a good indication. Next, see in you can find a cap with the rubber seal just under the metal cap that seals the top of the neck so water can only leave/enter via the overflow hose, then add a 2 ltr bottle at the end of the overflow hose with the hose a few inches from the bottom of the bottle to allow any garbage to settle and not be drawn back into the radiator.
If you don't have any aluminium in the cooling system, add some Phosphoric Acid to the fresh radiator water with no rust inhibitor type coolant added yet. Drive the rig around and watch the water temp, if it starts to rise and takes quite a while to settle back down, let the whole system cool down, remove the rad cap to release the pressure, then refit and remove the water filter plunger and screen to make sure it isn't blocked and the reduced water flow is causing the heating issue. Keep this routine up until the rust flakes stop appearing in the filter and the water looks clear yet the overflow bottle will have a heap of white sludge in the bottom.
Empty the over flow bottle regularly until the white sludge stops building up, check the filter to make sure there is no new rust flakes coming through, they might be white or have white edges, but they are still rust flakes. Be sure to run the heater water through the heater core as well (no need to turn the fan on unless it is actually cold and you want the heat) because this it a prime spot for rubbish to collect and stuff up a nice clean cooling system the first time you use it ...
Once you are sure everything is clean, this could take mths, drain the coolant and refill with the required antifreeze and rust inhibitor mix that is used to maintain a cooling system in good condition. Test the coolant with those PH strips every so often to ensure the coolant remains alkaline and does not drift into the acid realm, top up the inhibitor concentrate level as required to maintain the alkaline level that will prevent new rust forming and all will be well.

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Re: Overheating issue-advice.

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Brucie2 wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:11 pm Kappy might pay to ring them up & ask.
Have the model & engine number handy.
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I will call in there, the last time I spoke with them they advised me they don't keep record for stuff that old.
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Re: Overheating issue-advice.

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T1 Terry wrote: Sun Nov 08, 2020 1:55 pm The question that hasn't been asked, even though you were driving on relatively flat ground, was the motor being lugged at a low RPM in a tall gear? This will cause over heating in a diesel engine because the high torque will keep it pulling but that does generate a lot of heat. The exhaust gas temperature gauge that NP mentioned will tell you real quick if your driving technique is causing the problem, it will go up well ahead of the coolant temp because there is a lot of mass to absorb the heat within the engine block and heads and a lot of water to heat up as well.
As has been mentioned, the temp gauge and the light/buzzer are on different circuits and use different sensors, so it the gauge and the buzzer says it's hot, it is hot ;) Generally the light buzzer will not come on until the temp gauge has virtually maxed out, the difference between hot and real hot and you need to do something now type of thing ....
If you get the radiator core cleaned, be sure to fit a Tefba https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_nkw ... gKyafD_BwE or similar filter in the top radiator hose to catch any junk trying to get back into the radiator to block it up.
As far as that radiator cap, if you can find a cap with the correct depth between the cap clamping mechanism and the rubber to ensure the rubber does actually seat before the clamping takes effect ... that need to push down on the cap to get the lugs past the safety stop is a good indication. Next, see in you can find a cap with the rubber seal just under the metal cap that seals the top of the neck so water can only leave/enter via the overflow hose, then add a 2 ltr bottle at the end of the overflow hose with the hose a few inches from the bottom of the bottle to allow any garbage to settle and not be drawn back into the radiator.
If you don't have any aluminium in the cooling system, add some Phosphoric Acid to the fresh radiator water with no rust inhibitor type coolant added yet. Drive the rig around and watch the water temp, if it starts to rise and takes quite a while to settle back down, let the whole system cool down, remove the rad cap to release the pressure, then refit and remove the water filter plunger and screen to make sure it isn't blocked and the reduced water flow is causing the heating issue. Keep this routine up until the rust flakes stop appearing in the filter and the water looks clear yet the overflow bottle will have a heap of white sludge in the bottom.
Empty the over flow bottle regularly until the white sludge stops building up, check the filter to make sure there is no new rust flakes coming through, they might be white or have white edges, but they are still rust flakes. Be sure to run the heater water through the heater core as well (no need to turn the fan on unless it is actually cold and you want the heat) because this it a prime spot for rubbish to collect and stuff up a nice clean cooling system the first time you use it ...
Once you are sure everything is clean, this could take mths, drain the coolant and refill with the required antifreeze and rust inhibitor mix that is used to maintain a cooling system in good condition. Test the coolant with those PH strips every so often to ensure the coolant remains alkaline and does not drift into the acid realm, top up the inhibitor concentrate level as required to maintain the alkaline level that will prevent new rust forming and all will be well.

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When the Buzzer/light went off on the flat, sitting on 2000 rpm 5th gear @ approx 88kmh as top speed is 91km/h .

This system don't seem to have overflow, only what I think is expansion chamber, no overflow @ radiator cap like seen in most cars.

Seems to be overflow back to radiator @ top of expansion tank.
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Re: Overheating issue-advice.

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The one at the top of tank is to purge the air out of the radiator top tank, the one at the bottom should go into the bottom radiator hose because this is where the water is drawn into the motor.
Where the radiator cap goes on that neck, is there a small pipe that comes off there? If there is, run a hose from there into the 2 ltr plastic bottle, a soft drink bottle or milk bottle will do the job fine, the drink bottle is a bit stronger so possibly a better choice. If you can find one of those 3 ltr Coke bottles and some where to fit it sitting on a plate or something, that would be even better because they are extra strong bottles .....

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