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T1 Terry wrote:Once battery technology catches up and the car can do a full race on the one battery pack with a fast charge while the tyres are changed they might even compete together, then maybe a similar thing to street drags when the electric vehicles hit the scene.

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A tyre change for an F1 crew takes about 3.62 seconds. That'd be a mighty fast charge!
More likely they'd include a battery swap in the pit-stop, much like the liquid refuelling of recent memory.
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Greynomad wrote:
T1 Terry wrote:Once battery technology catches up and the car can do a full race on the one battery pack with a fast charge while the tyres are changed they might even compete together, then maybe a similar thing to street drags when the electric vehicles hit the scene.

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T1,
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A tyre change for an F1 crew takes about 3.62 seconds. That'd be a mighty fast charge!
More likely they'd include a battery swap in the pit-stop, much like the liquid refuelling of recent memory.
It will put huge pressure on developing fast charging facilities and batteries that can handle the rapid charging. Fuel filling is limited by hoses size so a certain length of time is required to take on a full tank. A 720volt battery charged at 100 amps takes in 1.2kW of energy every min, pulse charging can transfer 20 times that amount but even if the duty cycle was 50% that's 12kW of energy storage transferred in 1 min. It then becomes part of the race strategy just like refuelling does now, but the 12kW is pure energy going into a motor that can convert that to drive power at better than 70% efficiency from power point to tyres unlike the few % efficiency we see from the current race engines. Add to that a refuel doesn't alter the weight distribution of the car so suspension tuning will become an even finer art than it is now.
Looking forward to the day that electric and fuel burning F1 cars compete side by side, there will be a lot of jaw dropping and myths about never ready battery power being for toys going to the wind, the speed off the mark and acceleration out of the corners is incredible by comparison and the braking efficiency is so much better because only some of it goes to friction and heat through the brake rotors so pads that don't require as much heating to get them functioning can be used resulting in later braking..... it will be something to see.

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How about mounting the battery in the wheels or tyres?
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Terry we already have Formula E all electric car the biggest problem is it is not very popular with the spectator there is no noise most people go to motor racing for the sound.

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And don't forget the smell :)
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How would you like to locked in your house for a week within the circuit for this years V8s in Newcastle?

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Only if I had a boundary house
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The 2016 Pikes Peak was won with a time of 8:51 secs, the electric winning entry did it in 8:57 secs and became the 3rd ever to bet the 9 sec barrier, what will this yr bring? When the electric vehicle compete head to head with the internal combustion powered vehicles people will go to the race to watch, if the electric vehicle puts in a good performance peoples attitudes will change. Noise can be generated if that is what is needed, but the smell of tyres burning smells the same no matter what power plant is used and people are amazed when that happens without the loud engine noise generally associated with it. Times are changing and with the death of the Aust iconic V8 and soon the death of the yank V8 maybe the electric car has arrived at the right time. They went to Bathurst to see the 4 cyl turbos race along side the V8 and beat them, they went to see F1 when 1500cc V6 turbos dominated the racing, the entry of electric cars will not end the sport or the attendances, just mark the transition to a new era.

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Free admission Geoge. 8-)

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Last year the fans stayed away from formula 1 because it didn't sound right, I think it has been changed this year to get them back.
I have no doubt electric cars are the future but it will take a long time to convince all of the fans.

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