Our "New to Us" Winnie

[jon_d]

An idea.....

Would wrapping an iron piece of fencing wire around a super magnet and then using the other end to probe down the hole work?

A bit like picking up pins with a nail when you were kids.

[T1 Terry]

Can you get a grease gun with a little nozzle right in there and pump grease in behind it to lift it out? The grease wouldn't do any harm if some ends up in the cylinder later.
Or glue little magnets to the fingers on the gripper thing to pick it up evenly?

Not sure there would be enough room to get under it, I might bury it in grease. I don't have a compressor with me, wasn't enough room cause I didn't have time to take the generator out. I think they are made of brass or something, but they aren't attracted to a magnet.

I might try the slot cut in the spark plug socket and Blu Tak around the edges of the cut away to glue the bit to the plug and socket ..... but I'll wait until the camera thing comes and try with that and a bit of wire bent to form a pick up tool first.

Thank you everyone for your ideas, maybe I can find something sticky enough that it will attach itself to that and I can pull it out that way .....

T1 Terry

[T1 Terry]

I found a bit of what was possibly some sort of thermo couple, a semi stiff wire with a coating of white insolation stuck to the wire.
Shaved enough outer coating off to be able to make a hook and get that all the way down the side of the metal plug base to where it enters the head.
Worked it around until it wouldn't go any further around the plug and figure that had to be where the thing is that's stuck, pulled it up till it jammed, wiggled and pulled more ..... and it straightened out the hook ..... it is wedged in there tight.

I think the scarified socket and Blu Tak, loosen the plug a bit so the bit at least moves a bit, then see if it sticks to the Blu Tak or if I can fish it out with the bent wire idea ....

T1 Terry

[jon_d]

Good luck.

Count the turns on a good plug and don't exceed those.

Also, turn the motor to tdc on that cylinder. In case it fall in, you'll have a chance of seeing it.

[T1 Terry]

Good luck.

Count the turns on a good plug and don't exceed those.

Also, turn the motor to tdc on that cylinder. In case it fall in, you'll have a chance of seeing it.

I don't know how I'd even figure out what position was TDC on that cyl, they don't use the normal common conrod journal most V configuration engines use ..... maybe the point of valve rock between the exhaust and intake, but that would require the tappet cover being removed and that would require a major disassembly of the interior, including both front seats out to get the secondary engine cover off and .... yeah nah, not unless I absolutely have to ....

This is definitely looking like a tomorrow job, our friend who's house we are parked in the driveway, has ended up in hospital yet again, might be a complication from all the medication she is on ...... Jenny was the first ever kidney pancreas transplant where they leave the original units still plumbed in .... they have learnt a lot since then, but being the pioneer in such things, she is the longest still alive and symptoms of being on some drugs for too long are starting to become far more serious ..... including possible kidney failure, and that is where it all started from Type 1 diabetic passed on from her mother ....

T1 Terry

[jon_d]

Can you work out which other cylinder sequences with it and probe that one for tdc?

[T1 Terry]

Can you work out which other cylinder sequences with it and probe that one for tdc?

They have a strange two offset journals on the spot where a normal long single journal with two rods on it is on a normal V8 or a flat10 and V12 ..... not sure why, maybe they were going for the plan crank in a V10 idea to get the peak torque with each cyl firing in an even pulse as the crank rotates through the full 720* I still haven't figured out which side is number 1 and if the numbers run front to back down each side or criss cross .... Yanks are funny like that, they each seem to have a different method .....

T1 Terry

[BruceS]

Is it a Triton?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb2CtOy0ErA

[T1 Terry]

Is it a Triton?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb2CtOy0ErA

Thank you Bruce, that makes a lot more sense. So the firing order shows the right front, then the left front, then the right back, the left back and so on. Therefore, when no5 cyl is rocking, No6 cyl is on the top of the compression stroke.

Watched a few videos on fitting inserts and none of them seem to be too worried about anything fall in the cyl won't blow back out with compressed air ..... so if I do loose it into the cyl, I'll have to go and hire an air compressor to get it back out ...... or the camera on a stick and an even longer bit of wire

T1 Terry

[T1 Terry]

Is it a Triton?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb2CtOy0ErA

Thank you Bruce, that makes a lot more sense. So the firing order shows the right front, then the left front, then the right back, the left back and so on. Therefore, when no5 cyl is rocking, No6 cyl is on the top of the compression stroke.

Watched a few videos on fitting inserts and none of them seem to be too worried about anything fall in the cyl won't blow back out with compressed air ..... so if I do loose it into the cyl, I'll have to go and hire an air compressor to get it back out ...... or the camera on a stick and an even longer bit of wire

T1 Terry

That should be cyl 3 rocking, 5 firing strokes and a full 360* rotating after cyl 6 firing, the brain is getting a little slow lately and the odd cyl numbering and firing order didn't help ..... woke me up in the middle of the night, when the brain sorts through the days activities and sorts what to dump and what to store away for later access ..... it didn't workout in the head and woke me up to get it sorted .... or do further research

Received an update regarding the parcel from Temu, the promoted 4 day quick delivery has developed into the usual 12 to 14 days, it arrived in Sydney this morning and a day is never long enough for the 100km journey to the Illawarra, so maybe Monday, but certainly before next Thursday, because they have to hand over the $5 credit for more than 10 business days ..... we all know packing a distribution centres in China, nor planes fly, and customs doesn't sort stuff on the week ends

Yeah, my neck is killing me, so I'm not a happy chappy

T1 Terry