Phone app

[native pepper]

The data asked for in the App is 1. your name - Pseudonyms are acceptable. 2 Age range - not age - ie. mine was in the 60 to 70 age group. 3. Your phone number. Pretty sure that was it! Hardly a big deal even if it did somehow get hacked.

Cuppa, once they have your Ph number, they have access to everything about you the PH company and everyone else you contact has. Makes no difference if you use and pseudonym, with your Ph number, they get access to the lot and that's only part of the story. The signals directorate has a 12 storey underground facility designed specifically for communications interception and logging.

[Cuppa]

But it says the phone number I've had for 20 odd years is invalid, so I deleted the app and will wait for the programmers to get it right.

Ron, Try again, you may have got the wrong app. There are 2 apps with the same or similar names. One is a WHO app & will result in ‘invalid phone no’ . The one you want is green & a search for Covid safe (with the space between the two words) should find it. It shows a logo with an outline of Australia. It is also possible that your phone operating system is too old?

[RobertNotBob]

They also reported yesterday they did have that problem but it was supposed to be fixed with a update. Try again and see what happens. Robert

[Cuppa]

Was speaking to some of our gun club members yesterday, one is very right wing and he downloaded the app straight away. It told him he had the virus and within a few hours his phone went flat because the app drained it. Then it cut off his ph conversation telling him he was near a contaminated person, which it's not supposed to do and there was no one near him. Then he got an advert from amazon who he has never dealt with for face masks and gloves, so he deleted it.

Don’t believe everything you are told! The app cannot do this. It cannot tell you you have the virus. The way it works is that you get diagnosed by a health professional. Diagnosis sees you added to a database, same as for any notifiable disease. You are then asked for your permission (again) to allow the health dept to download the Bluetooth contact history with others running the app. (You can refuse if you wish - unless you confirm your permission a 2nd time in the app no-one gets access to that data). The people that it shows you have been in close proximity to are then contacted by phone, by a health dept contact tracer who advises them to get themselves tested. Your gun club mate was bullshitting you.

[Coolabah1au]

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[Busman]

Seems some can be a little loose with the truth to try and reinforce their shaky position

[Busman]

Seems some can be a little loose with the truth to try and reinforce their shaky position ?

[BernieQ2]

You seem to repeat your self Bill
Bernie .

[native pepper]

Cuppa, the app registers those who are infected, so it can inform authorities, who comes close to the infected person so they can be notified and tracked. If it doesn't have a record of infected people, then it's useless. What would be the use of an app that just checks who and where people come into contact, what do you do with all the information about nothing. It needs to verify whether there is contact between infected and uninfected people, otherwise it is just a tracking app with no relevance to stopping or slowing the spread, because it can't identify the infected and warn others. Which isn't that what it's supposed to do, inform.

They are also saying it asks you to upload the data after so many days or weeks and you don't need to if you don't want to upload it. But during that time between contact and uploading, someone could have come into contact with thousands of people in urban areas.

Have also read on other sites this morning, others who have complained they downloaded the app and it said they were infected, many have said it drains their ph batteries and then we have this article on the ABC site. It's a good read and history tells us the USA is a law onto themselves internationally and their multinationals have free reign and are required by law to give data to the authorities.

"Australian Government coronavirus tracing app data held by Amazon may not be protected from US subpoena"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-28/ ... a/12189372

The person who told me their app told them they are infected, I believe them, because they are politically blind and in their eyes the party they are a member of, the libs can do no wrong. But they were really pissed off with the app, especially when their Ph went dead half way through the day.

[Cuppa]

Cuppa, the app registers those who are infected, so it can inform authorities, who comes close to the infected person so they can be notified and tracked. If it doesn't have a record of infected people, then it's useless. What would be the use of an app that just checks who and where people come into contact, what do you do with all the information about nothing. It needs to verify whether there is contact between infected and uninfected people, otherwise it is just a tracking app with no relevance to stopping or slowing the spread, because it can't identify the infected and warn others. Which isn't that what it's supposed to do, inform.

They are also saying it asks you to upload the data after so many days or weeks and you don't need to if you don't want to upload it. But during that time between contact and uploading, someone could have come into contact with thousands of people in urban areas.

Have also read on other sites this morning, others who have complained they downloaded the app and it said they were infected, many have said it drains their ph batteries and then we have this article on the ABC site. It's a good read and history tells us the USA is a law onto themselves internationally and their multinationals have free reign and are required by law to give data to the authorities.

"Australian Government coronavirus tracing app data held by Amazon may not be protected from US subpoena"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-28/ ... a/12189372

The person who told me their app told them they are infected, I believe them, because they are politically blind and in their eyes the party they are a member of, the libs can do no wrong. But they were really pissed off with the app, especially when their Ph went dead half way through the day.

np, I'd be interested to see any links which support your assertions about the app's ability to register those who are infected. I cannot imagine how an app on your phone is capable of testing & diagnosing it's owner!

At the time of diagnosis (by a human) the phone owner will be placed onto a Covid 19 register, just the same as someone diagnosed who does not own a phone. The attached photos are screenshots from many more info pages in the app on my phone. Note the one which asks if a Health official has asked you to upload your info, with a box underneath it saying 'Upload my Information' - giving me the choice of whether or not I do so. I suggest downloading the app & looking through it's 'Help files' before deciding whether to register or delete it. You may find what you see reassuring. I think you need to understand what the app does, & not what you fear it does. There is no tracking involved. On an Iphone location services do not need to be switched on! (They do on an android phone because of how an android OS works, but there are explicit assurances that the Geolocation info will not be recorded). Highly unlikely that the government would put out an app to covertly monitor the movements of Android phone users, but not Apple users wouldn't you think? When you understand the purpose of the the app, you will understand that it is far from useless without an ability to 'have a record of infected people', or to record any geo-locating data'. If it could do the things that you & some others here seem concerned about - no-one, including me would entertain it for a moment.

Download it, check it out for yourself & then decide whether to keep & use it. That way you are not just allowing rumour & innuendo to feed your existing skepticism. And nothing wrong with being a skeptic - as I have said previously I wouldn't trust our government - but I was prepared to look at this app for the greater good. Using it in no way means I am any more trusting of Scomo, Potatohead Dutton or any of their right wing mates, but I am prepared to place my trust in health workers, & I do consider it reasonable to share the minimal info about me that the app requires as it is info which is already shared by 99% of internet users already, so *if* the US government for some bizarre reason wanted to & were able to subpoena Aussie data, it would likely be a good thing - a sign that they were bored shitless with nothing better to do than to nose around in what would be incredibly dreary, repetitive & uninteresting data. They might just as well subpoena as Australian phone directory!

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