Our Manufacturing Sector

[Dot]

I have solved the melting glacier problem, tow it to our shores (not with a jeep) chop blocks off then transport them to the new dam that is being built somewhere in the Oz outback.

[Greynomad]

T1,
You seem to expect our pollies to make a decision based on common sense.
You should know from history that’s never going to happen.
The easiest option is to kick the problem down the road for someone else to make a hard decision… which they never do.

NP,
I’m afraid you have a germ of truth in your post, but I’m hoping your tsunami theory is over-egging the custard.
Never mind switching to electric cars. If you’re right, we might all be looking at a horse-&-buggy future.

[native pepper]

I have solved the melting glacier problem, tow it to our shores (not with a jeep) chop blocks off then transport them to the new dam that is being built somewhere in the Oz outback.

Not need to tow it to a dam Dot, didn't add the scary bit. When the section of Thwaites below the crack drops off and slides into the sea, they are saying maybe 2/3 of the entire glacier may follow pretty quickly. The piece braking off is acting as a brake, it was grounded keeping the glaciers slide to the sea much slower. They call it the doomsday glacier because it is now so unstable and sitting on top of pooling water coming down from the surface and when it collapses, the theory is it will start the collapse of many grounded glaciers. The rise in sea levels will lift them up from their grounding points, accelerating their slide into the sea and most now are sitting on pools of water coming down from the melting top of the glaciers. The part that's collapsing is the size of the UK, pretty big iceberg to two anywhere, it would be the other way round.

So Dot we may see an inland sea, which would flood from the gulf and nth west. Now that's why we should have a manufacturing industry, we could start preparing for what is now looking like coming to be, which was predicted to happen around the turn of the next century. There's going to be a fortune in building lots of house boats to cruise the interior, solar powered.

T1,
You seem to expect our pollies to make a decision based on common sense.
You should know from history that’s never going to happen.
The easiest option is to kick the problem down the road for someone else to make a hard decision… which they never do.

NP,
I’m afraid you have a germ of truth in your post, but I’m hoping your tsunami theory is over-egging the custard.
Never mind switching to electric cars. If you’re right, we might all be looking at a horse-&-buggy future.

Already got the horses and wagon with modern tyres, when thwaites goes, we'll be living on an island instead of a peninsula, lucky got a big boat. When something the size of the UK slides into the sea, it's gonna create a pretty big wave or two. It would be a big deep thick wave which may only be 20-30 metres high, but when it hits continental shelf's, it will rear up to well over 50m in places and as there's no land between the southern ocean and all the continents, that swell will sweep up the indian, pacific and atlantic oceans without losing much pressure and water is not compressible, so it has to go somewhere when pushed aside.

[T1 Terry]

Wouldn't worry about it to much, if you've been watching the developing climate situation you'd quickly realise nothing we do will change things. Especially now where the Thwaites glacier in Antarctica has developed a huge crack, which they say will collapse in the sea within 5 years, raising sea levels 65cm, something they predicted wouldn't happen until the end of this century.

The elephant in the room is when Thwaites collapses, it will send a tsunami around the planet, up to 50m high and will wipe out most cities on the planet. A tsunami that size will race up rivers and create massive destruction.The majority of manufacturing industries, are close to rivers and that may wipe out a lot of industry. It will also have a huge effect on other glaciers, probably accelerating their melt and collapse.

So we have something to look forward to and when that happens, we will have nothing, no fuels, no commodities, no processed foods as over 85% come from overseas and no manufacturing industry to rebuilt society. The prediction of world societies being gone by 2030, that has been envisaged by by some climate scientists who have been howled down, is looking more and more likely and nothing will be done by our politicians to prepare for it in any way. Just business as usual.

This NASA satellite study is dated 3 yrs or more ago, some back to 2017, https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/huge-cavi ... apid-decay the alarm was raised and ignored then .... until the crack they predicted appeared and was so big it couldn't be ignored .... if the glacier really is a giant iceberg like the 3 yr old NASA study claims, it will rocket down hill and into the ocean.
If this is what happens when water gets into layers of clay https://www.environmentandsociety.org/a ... vajont-dam picture the effect of ice on water, once it starts to move the energy will smash through anything in its way and break anything tying it to any land anchor ....... might be that big event that finally pushes the world into action ...... the refugee problems from war torn countries will be minuscule compared to the displacement of those effected by the sudden sea level rise that thought they were protected by barriers slowly increased over the yrs ..... the tidal wave will flatten them much like Fukushima https://world-nuclear.org/information-l ... ident.aspx just on a much bigger scale ...... can you imagine what affect it will have up the Thames? Venice? Holland? Lot of the USA and lots of the Australian coast line? ......
Let's hope they got it wrong .......

T1 Terry

[Noggins]

Being a bit cynical.
Hopefully the compression factor of liquids will act like a huge shock absorber and slow its tidal wave down before it wipes out Obama and Al Gore's waterside mansions.

No matter what happens it certainly will be a disaster


Ron

[Greynomad]

Ummm, Ron,
I hope you were leg-pulling about the “compression factor of liquids”.
Liquid is incompressible. That’s why hydraulic brakes, pistons etc work.
Displacement delay inertia might be what you referred to.

[Noggins]

Compressibility factors

What is the compressibility factor of water?
Water. 45.8. 46.4. Compressibility is the fractional change in volume per unit increase in pressure. For each atmosphere increase in pressure, the volume of water would decrease 46.4 parts per million.
...
Compressibility of Liquids.
Liquid Compressibility, k
Ethyl alcohol 110 111
Glycerine 21 21
Mercury 3.7 3.8
Water 45.8 46.4

In what's considered normal, a small amount of water, or for that matter any liquid, is deemed to be Un -compressible, yet in large volumes and changing atmospheres, natural or made, it's proven that liquids can be compressed.
Table above.

I didn't make up the theory or practical applications thereof, I just passed it on to our Forumites with my self-made theory that as the tidal wave would be passing several climate zones and moving water of different residual heats it would slowly absorb a lot of its own energy.


Ron

[native pepper]

Compressibility factors

What is the compressibility factor of water?
Water. 45.8. 46.4. Compressibility is the fractional change in volume per unit increase in pressure. For each atmosphere increase in pressure, the volume of water would decrease 46.4 parts per million.
...
Compressibility of Liquids.
Liquid Compressibility, k
Ethyl alcohol 110 111
Glycerine 21 21
Mercury 3.7 3.8
Water 45.8 46.4

In what's considered normal, a small amount of water, or for that matter any liquid, is deemed to be Un -compressible, yet in large volumes and changing atmospheres, natural or made, it's proven that liquids can be compressed.
Table above.

I didn't make up the theory or practical applications thereof, I just passed it on to our Forumites with my self-made theory that as the tidal wave would be passing several climate zones and moving water of different residual heats it would slowly absorb a lot of its own energy.


Ron

Ron, I would agree with you in most situations, most tidal waves are caused by the movement of tectonic plates and there is no real displacement of water it will return to it's original state with no sea level rise after the event. When Thwaites collapses it will be like throwing a brick into a bucket of water, there will be a huge displacement of water with no ability to return to it's original state and the pressure from that will resonate worldwide. Of course it will lose some of its momentum but not the effect of permanent sea rise, or the effect it will have on many other glaciers and ice sheets, which may lift them up off their anchor points. Many may suddenly increase their slide into the sea and melt large areas which were once above sea level, then there is the effect of really cold water in the wave hitting warmer waters and expanding pushing more water up. It may not be a huge wave that sweeps the world, but a huge surge which won't retreat, swamping all low lying areas and stopping all shipping because every dock on the planet will have been inundated and destroyed. A rise if 65cm doesn't sound much, but it's effect will be horrendous.

This article in the guardian gives an idea of what will happen and as for them getting it wrong, so far they have got everything wrong about the timing of climate change, by many decades as they expected sea level rise to be over a couple of centuries and not to worry us much now.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... th-concern

[BruceS]

OK, can you please change your will as none of your beneficiaries will be needing it.
My name & address is as follows ....
etc etc etc

[Greynomad]

I wonder if ScoMo has read The Guardian?

Who owns the Guardian? If the name isn't Murdoch then it doesn't actually exist .... no need for fake news claims, it just simply doesn't exist. How good is ignoring what you don't want to know

Due to the fact we can't do anything in the time available to stop it if it does happen, do we all do the Bondi shuffle like they did during the war and all move to the mountains? Turn all the beach side suburbs into housing commission or rental properties at the low end of the budget, that would certainly sort out the rental affordability problem and the housing affordability problem, all in one hit ..... well, as long as it doesn't actually happen but everyone believes it will happen ...... as I said, The Bondi shuffle ..... The Japs lobbed a few shells in from a ship off shore, one exploded destroying a house, the other failed to detonate ..... and you could buy a sea side house for a hundred quid .... well, if you had a hundred quid back then

If we are going to go on the "how bad could it be" path, that much fresh water into the salt water would have what effect on the ocean currents?

T1 Terry