This renewables madness

[Busman]

Just watched the Tesla story on 60 minutes. When you ignore the sensationalistic aspects that all media is infected with these days, you get an extremely worrying story about the asperegers kid, seems quite happy to lie his arse off about autonomous driving, lots of his customers not happy Jan !

Couple this to an unbalanced energy minister and a PM that want to spend $1B ofour money to set up factories making the worlds most expensive solar panels, built by people used to coal industry wages, while the world is flooded with cheap chines panels and you have to question their sanity, or are they that cynical about spending our dollars to retain seats and power ?

The latest thought bubble is to give low cost loans, that only have to be repaid when property is sold, to the 2/3 of homes that do not have solar !! A figue of $17 B , thats right 17 Billion of your money will be used to finance a dream on an insane energy minister.

WTF, what has this countdy come to ?

[T1 Terry]

You need to think outside the box regarding the solar and home battery subsidy or even loan till you sell the house ... haven't heard that one, do you have a link to a govt site with details regarding this loan?
Still seems a better investment than the $$ spent upgrading a rifle club in Wagga ... you know the one where they held the Stone the Crows Rally ...... or the insanity of Snowy 2.0 in a country that already needs to use available water to make artificial snow ... when it melts it is never going to replace the amount used to make it .... so where will the water come from to drive this white elephant ..... now that was a case of "you have to question their sanity, or are they that cynical about spending our dollars to retain seats and power ?"
Need I go on with examples of "an unbalanced energy minister and a PM that want to spend $1B many $1b of our money" ........

By enticing people to put solar on the roof and add a battery pack, they hand over the responsibility of maintenance and replacement of these micro electrical energy generation and storage plants so they get the broad based electrical energy generation and storage in the area it will be used, without it actually costing them in the long run or for new poles and wires.

As for solar panels, Tindo in Adelaide https://tindosolar.com.au/?utm_source=g ... x7EALw_wcB already make very good solar panels right here in Australia with world matching (if not beating) genuine solar efficiency at the temperatures experienced in the Australia sun, backed by a 25 yr warranty, that has the manufacturing plant right here in SA, not China under a company name you won't be able to find if ever you need to make a claim.

As far Tesla and their autonomous driving cars .... have you actually seen one on Aust roads? Who cares about what insanity they allow on US roads, I can't see it ever being allowed in Aust without sensors in the driver's seat and on the steering wheel to verify there is actually a driver in charge of the vehicle .... but by then, there will also be retina scanning to verify the driver is actually paying attention.
At the moment, these vehicles with lane keep assist are a major problem, check out how many vehicles with very low kms on the clock are appearing in salvage auctions with one front guard or the other (most often the right one) as the only damage ... besides the seatbelts locked and the airbags deployed making it a Statutory right off, never to be registered again. These things are dangerous on country roads that don't have white lines up each side of the road, take a left hand turn a bit too quick and the front drifts across the centreline, the lane assist sees this as the lefthand lane edge and steers right .... you were already in trouble regarding getting the vehicle to negotiate the tight bend, you just don't have fast enough reflexes to catch the power steering ripping the wheel out of your grip and it drives into the first white post it finds .... I just bought an MG4 that had exactly that happen to the unsuspecting driver .....

T1 Terry

[Busman]

The Tesla story was mostly about Musks's ducking and weaving, and the radical changes they have made to try and get on top of what they have already sold, without it being possible. Like the car being unable to differentiate from going under a semi trailer or under a bridge, even though one is fixed and the other moving.
The loan thing came out of a labour think tank, will be 7 to 10 days before it becomes policy !
Regard "insanity of Snowy 2" ??? Doesn't use a drop of water to generate power, the allusion to melting snow is just a phurphy and I believe you know it
Rubbish about handing over the responsibility for the grid, it still has to be there to supply industry and apartments, another phurphy.
Yes we can make industry equal panels here, but they will be way more expensive than the chinese ones, and you cannot deny that. So why spend taxpayer dollars in a doomed enterprise, other than to desperately try to hold seats at the next election ?
Labor will rue the day that Bowen was made energy minister, after they are back in opposition after the next election.
And NO I do not support the copposition noises about breaking up Coles and Woolies. Any fool can see that if they were broken up, let say into 1/3 's the there would be 6 companies, 6 new disribution centres in each state, 6 new CEO's ^ 6 new staffs, 6 new vehicle fleets (including trucks), all having to run at a profit. ANY fool can see that this will appear to be more "competitive" but will it lower prices, from one that was a supplier for 30 years, hell no.

[supersparky]

I think the intention to break up Coles and Woolies was to take away their fuel and alcohol distribution networks. Maybe let them sell food, but not own significant numbers of hotels , and remove interests in Shell and Caltex/Ampol.
I could never see that working, anyway it was a dumb green idea.

[Busman]

And now Bowen and Albo take seperate private jets, 30 mins apart, from the same start place to the same destination which was a clean energy announcment. $100K of your money, why not get in electric car to do the trip. Oh thats right, would have had to sit around waiting for the "fuel" to go in.

I wonder if this is because they hate each other so much ? Albo sees Bowen turning peple against labor with his over the top push for renewables, yet he is hamstrung to remove him ? I see a reshuffle coming on.'

After the greens leader doing the same thing, you have to question the commitment to the whole climate change mantra, what a lot of crap !

[Busman]

I think the intention to break up Coles and Woolies was to take away their fuel and alcohol distribution networks. Maybe let them sell food, but not own significant numbers of hotels , and remove interests in Shell and Caltex/Ampol.
I could never see that working, anyway it was a dumb green idea.

I don't think you are correct Dave, all the pollies are on about price gouging in the stores which is bullshit, if we want to have wages growth, we will have prices growth, don't have to be an economist to work that one out !

[T1 Terry]

Regard "insanity of Snowy 2" ??? Doesn't use a drop of water to generate power, the allusion to melting snow is just a phurphy and I believe you know it

I'd borrow those right vision glasses to take a look Bill, but I don't think I'd like what I saw.
Where do you believe the water to run the original Snowy Scheme comes from? Delivered from farmers who sold their water licence to the govt at a very inflated price, then bought lower Murray water licences cheap and use that water allocation up stream? It's melted snow Bill, but I think you already know that .......

Now think about how much more water will be required to fill the Snowy 2.0 scheme for it to work, where will that come from? Can't use the water the original scheme has because that is needed to run that part. What about evaporation from all these extra holding ponds and vapour losses while pumping? How can that not require a drop of water to remain functional, even forgetting about all the water required to get it working initially?
You can't just stop sending water down the river, the farmers that bought those water rights would revolt and split the Coalition, then Labor would be the only party that could get enough seats to govern .... and you wouldn't want that eh

Still think it wasn't an insane poorly thought out vote buying white elephant ..... but I think you already realise that .....

As for the rest of it, you don't really believe any of that do you ..... following the party lines isn't the path to a better future .... but I think you already know that

T1 Terry

[T1 Terry]

And now Bowen and Albo take seperate private jets, 30 mins apart, from the same start place to the same destination which was a clean energy announcment. $100K of your money, why not get in electric car to do the trip. Oh thats right, would have had to sit around waiting for the "fuel" to go in.

I wonder if this is because they hate each other so much ? Albo sees Bowen turning peple against labor with his over the top push for renewables, yet he is hamstrung to remove him ? I see a reshuffle coming on.'

After the greens leader doing the same thing, you have to question the commitment to the whole climate change mantra, what a lot of crap !

I think you already know the reason for the two smaller jets, not enough runway for the normal jet they all travel in and not enough room for all the security and hangers on that travel with politicians of any party colour code these days .... how many vehicles in a motorcade to drive that far? It's only 520kms from Canberra to the Hunter Valley, under the 700km range of a prestige electric vehicle that the PM or Energy Minister would travel in, the same as any member of the opposition, so you know that is all just nonsense following the party line ......

About the only thing I can agree on your statement is the last bit

what a lot of crap !

T1 Terry

[Busman]

T!, what a load of rubbish !
All sides agree it is not a good look, going to a clean energy thingy in multiple jets when one would do. There are plenty of long enough runways nearby to take a commercial jet like one from the air force, to say that all ministers cannot function without an extra hanger on is ludicrous !

As for the 700 ??? Km of a prestige car range, we all know that is the figure around town when regen braking captures back energy. It seems the commonly accepted figure if you head out on the highway as the saying goes is that the range drops by about 30%, so I guess even the premium cars would have had to have a fuel stop !

[native pepper]

Looking at the sizes of the jets they used, they seem to be able to carry many people so could easily have left lots of staff behind trying to support both fools. Seems today, politicians can't say or do anything without having large numbers of support staff and advisers with them, probably because they don't have the brains to run a deserted dunny in the middle of the desert, let alone a country, Their advisers are just as good as them, useless.

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Ev's have a long way to go before they become a really viable form of long distance transport outside cities, you can't expect anything from politicians regarding alternative energy generation, except those controlled by big corporations. Everything else just gets lip service and the 20th century approach continues unabated, ensuring an unviable future for us all.

Rain hasn't stopped since last night here so bored.