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Well I suppose you are going to drive it back to Mannum. So at least you will know what else is needed to get it back to full serviceability.
Like Shirley just said, you're a glutton for punishment. I hope all goes well. Good luck mate. :D
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Ok Terry, hope you got the right engine and not one of their lemons. Have no respect for petrol/gas engines used for heavy vehicles, that's why they changed trucks to diesel. Have done all my vehicle repairs since was 14 and still do, petrol is to unreliable compared to diesel and discovered that with my first diesel bus over the petrol van we had, which was a long time ago. Having to get all parts from the USA and from your description of the engines problems and the fact it's around a 2000 model, seems like it may be one of the lemons which have terrible trouble with their valves and spark plugs. This article tells a good story about these engines and the problems they have.

https://www.slashgear.com/1561855/best- ... -to-avoid/

The VTX I bought, most parts come from either Japan or the USA and the same with my centrifuge, for some reason it can take months to order and have delivered, and sometimes less than a week. The USA is also more expensive for freight costs by a long way. Have spent the last couple of months tracking down some centrifuge parts ordered from the USA finding out Fedex sent them to a place in the US and not Tas. Parts from Japan only take a week so, so get my parts through Honda if possible, currently waiting for key blanks and side cover grommets to come from Japan.

Hope it all goes well for you with this one Terry, you need a break from problems and they say they come in 3's, hope you've already had your 3.
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The "lemon" Triton V10 SOHC 20 valve were the earliest version, short spark plug threads were the first problem engines, but every one of those would have been sorted by now, the next was two piece spark plugs that snapped off in the head, that was soon sorted ...... the model after this went to the 3 valve head for more power, but 310hp and 450 ft lb torque @ 2500rpm that these 2 valve heads make will be enough for me I think.

As far as petrol v diesel, maybe in a semi that is on the long runs up and down the highway, but certainly not bus engines. For the cost of the parts to rebuild the old 466 and 500 Bedford diesel engine, we were buying brand new 351 Cleveland engines an Allison transmissions and converting them to LPG. The diesels would need a rebuild in under 150,000 kms, the Cleveland's would last in excess of 200,000 kms, a day job to fit a new one from the packing cases and we would get back 1/2 the cost of the new engine selling it second hand

Over 40 yrs experience as a diesel fitter and auto mechanic, plant mechanic and industrial fitter, diesels only got a foot hold when diesel fuel was so cheap, none of them could keep up with the Black Diamond and later Blue series on the trip from Sydney to Albury, the modern direct injection computer controlled petrol engines still out perform the diesel engines, but the most powerful of all are the new electric motor, 1,000kw from the first turn of the motor and being induction motors, require cooling and bearings every so often, and that's about it ...... there is a reason why all those huge mining trucks and drag lines use electric motors and only have the diesel engine to run the generator ..... but that is slowly being replaced by battery packs ......

I'd love to use the Lexus V6 and GS450h electric transmission to replace the V10, but that might be one of those things that would just eat up too much time ...... but an electric 2 speed 2 motor transmission that pumps out a continuous 250kw on it's own, coupled with an LPG fuel V6 that also can pump out 250kw that could be used as a gen set when there was no sun and a recharging station was too far for the extension cord to reach, I reckon would be the ultimate RV conversion ;) 8-)

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Terry, those bedford engines are old compared to today and many diesel truck engines will go around 1 million klm before rebuild. My cruiser engine before rebuild did over 600klms and it was only the actions of my neighbour that stuffed it when she borrowed it and forgot to switch to diesel from veggie oil. The Isuzu in my bus had over 700000klms on it when bought and to rebuild that cost me just over $3000 about 10 years ago including the new turbo. You won't get that usage out of a petrol gas engine.

Is you triton V10 a 2 or 3 valve engine, it's the 2 valve that has the problems.
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native pepper wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 5:08 am Terry, those bedford engines are old compared to today and many diesel truck engines will go around 1 million klm before rebuild. My cruiser engine before rebuild did over 600klms and it was only the actions of my neighbour that stuffed it when she borrowed it and forgot to switch to diesel from veggie oil. The Isuzu in my bus had over 700000klms on it when bought and to rebuild that cost me just over $3000 about 10 years ago including the new turbo. You won't get that usage out of a petrol gas engine.

Is you triton V10 a 2 or 3 valve engine, it's the 2 valve that has the problems.
It was the early 2 valve engines that had the problem, I'm guessing after 24 yrs, if it was going to have a problem with exhaust studs or spitting out spark plugs, it would have happened by now. When I took these plugs out, they are all the long thread tapered seat type, that suggests these are the upgraded heads.

We have a 2008 Prius with 780,000 kms on the clock, never had the head off, it is nothing to do with the type of engine, it's the imptovements in the oild and fuel that has made all the difference. My EB11 Falcon has over a 1 million kms on thr clock and still goes as hard as ever, had two transmission rebuilds in that time and one head gasket because it was leaking oil around the timing chain area.

If this engine dies, I'll just put something else in it, but not another diesel, I have no intention of ever owning another diesel. It was the 100 plus ltrs in the Hino that made the workshop fire so intense and the 120 ltrs in the Fuso that created the fire ball that consumed the house, petrol goes bang, LPG goes off with a single fire needle as the gas pours out of the pressure relief valve ..... cool the tank and the gas stops, diesel fires burn themselves out and burn anything close by ..... twice is two too many times for me .....

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T1, is your new Winny similar body style to Ray and Joy's old Girt?
Beam axle I suppose, same as our Winny. Rubber roof, but no slideout. Get it home, get it sorted, then enjoy your travels. :D
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supersparky wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 6:09 pm T1, is your new Winny similar body style to Ray and Joy's old Girt?
Beam axle I suppose, same as our Winny. Rubber roof, but no slideout. Get it home, get it sorted, then enjoy your travels. :D
Beam axle, rubber roof and no slideout, Ford chassis, front engine, 4 sp electric over drive auto. I'm guess, when all 10 cyls are firing, it goes quite well, with only half of them putting in their full effort, it struggles to hold much over 100km/h, as soon as it senses a hill coming, it drops out of over drive and jumps from 2,500 rpm to 3,250 and climbs from there ..... back off the throttle to save it revving needlessly and it does climb the hills .... just not real fast :lol: So, along the flat, no problems, up the hills, probably much like a 1418 Benz, catch up on a few hrs sleep while it climbs the hill :lol: I do like the disc brakes up front, a lot more confident than I was with the drums all round on the Fuso, the brake fade was quite noticeable when the exhaust brake decided not to play nicely.

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When it slows down on the uphill, just tell yourself it's a 1HZ Coaster, non turbo. The one we had would roll along on the flat, but hated uphill. If you go through Ballarat, stop in at the place that sells the proper Dicor paint for the rubber roof. You can bet that it will need a recoat.
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supersparky wrote: Wed Sep 11, 2024 8:37 pm When it slows down on the uphill, just tell yourself it's a 1HZ Coaster, non turbo. The one we had would roll along on the flat, but hated uphill. If you go through Ballarat, stop in at the place that sells the proper Dicor paint for the rubber roof. You can bet that it will need a record.
Apparently the roof was redone 2 yrs ago after serious water leaks. /we have found the signs of previous water leaks, but no sign of those leaks still being present ....... All the same, I think I'll give the roof another sealing coat ..... what is the name of the store in Ballarat so I can check it out?

I still own a Kombi, I know what "slow up the hill" is all about :lol:

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The mob that sell the dicor stuff are Fifth Wheelers Aust.
18 Mahers Rd Ballarat. I have not used the Dicor Paint, but have used the Dicor Lap Sealant, which is the only product recommended to seal the EPDM rubber.
I know that others have used Vereseal, with good results. I think that's what Bernie used.
I can't remember what the stuff that I used is called, and I'm a long way from my shed, to have a look. I'll check with Mr Google.
Edit. I used Globalcote. It is a 2 part product. Thoroughly clean roof, apply first part of product, the primer. Allow to completely dry then apply the topcoat/s. I put a couple of topcoats on. I also added a couple of handfuls of those glass spheres to assist in hear reflection. Not convinced they make a big difference on the Winny. But I reckon they did on the metal roof of the Coaster.
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