Road user charge to be introduced

[T1 Terry]

Just reading a report regarding the introduction of road user charges, a federal based charge to supplement the declining fuel excise due to more efficient ICE vehicles and increasing number of electric vehicles ...... I reckon I'm paying two people excise with the Winnie the quoted a figure in the article of 51cents/ltr in NSW, so I'm paying 26c/km now

I guess it will depend just how much they are going to grab for plug in hybrid vehicles as to whether I go hybrid and if I add a fast charger plug in point ..... depending if the have a plug in hybrid (PHEV) class and just a hybrid class (HEV) ..... the Winnie could never be pure electric (BEV) the range between recharging points would be very limiting to where we could travel ......

https://www.news.com.au/technology/moto ... 6eb49f433b

T1 Terry

[supersparky]

I don't mind having to pay excise/tax/surcharge on my road use. I just wish the govt's, both state and federal, would use those taxes to keep our highways and byways in a decent state of repair.
Last time I looked, a lot of our local roads were maintained by local govt. How would they fit in to this new tax?
Maybe we should start charging them to keep our vehicles roadworthy.

[supersparky]

On a kinda similar vein, according to someone on farcebook, so it must be true

You might need to click on the pic make it readable. But if you do, you'll probably fail the licence test.

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EDIT, I went back to that farcebook page to see if anyone had fact checked it.
Unfortunately/fortunately that post has disappeared. But it looks like the OP was a bit of a cynic anyway, going by some of his other posts.

[T1 Terry]

On a kinda similar vein, according to someone on farcebook, so it must be true

You might need to click on the pic make it readable. But if you do, you'll probably fail the licence test.

Screenshot_20250812_183317_Facebook.jpg

I clicked "not interested" but it didn't seem to do anything Fancy Canada and Aust doing anything the same, especially on the same day

Yeah, looks like it was Fake News, and I fell for it

T1 Terry

[Greynomad]

Getting back to T1’s OP:
My Son-&-Heir has a hybrid Lexus — no plug-in.
He gets 1000km on a tank of petrol by switching to EV mode while highway cruising, or in heavy (read: ‘normal’) Melbourne traffic.
Just how will the gummint calculate such a charge for him? He’s still buying fuel, so he’s not ‘sponging’ on people who are paying the fuel excise by going full electric.
On the other hand, he’s not driving an EV.
Something tells me this is going to be one very complex piece of legislation.

[Bow]

Simple, drop the fuel tax and up the registration charges

[Newcastle George]

Simple, drop the fuel tax and up the registration charges

So, an extra cost even if you use very little fuel.

George

[supersparky]

Simple, drop the fuel tax and up the registration charges

I don't think that would work. Most fuel tax is federal govt. Most registrations are state based. I'm sure the Feds aren't gunna accept a drop in tax revenue.

[native pepper]

Governments will do anything to cover up their gross economic incompetence and pander to the corporate demand for profit growth at any cost. They federal government only has a few major highways that they pay for, in Tas it's the midlands and every other highway or road is paid for by local government and the state. Of course the feds provide funds to the states for roads, but increasing excise whilst big corporations get discounts for fuel is criminal in my opinion, especially when there's alternatives to the extremely high cost of imported fuels and the never ending uncertainty of fuel supplies, all coming form the northern hemisphere. It's a never ending cycle of charge the people and profit the corporate world, when one of the big problems is the constant influx of immigrants into the country to drive consumerism and corporate profit growth. What we need is economic stability and economic sustainability, not what they call economic growth which is purely corporate profit growth ans nothing more.

We have the answers to all these problems, it's just the idiots in power are controlled by big business and ideological stupidity. Toll roads are making huge profits for corporations, when the people contributed to the cost of the roads and now face constantly increasing costs to use them. In my opinion we are on a road to nowhere with just disaster after disaster ahead.

If they wanted to reduce costs to the people, pollution and drive our economy, instead of giving our money to corporations and overseas greed, because most of our money goes overseas in the end through fuel, vehicles and increasingly all aspects of the vehicle consumer industries. Try getting an EV fixed by a local business, you have to go to the vehicle distributor. Where I live there's very few EV's and a person that has a secondhand one had a problem, so took it to our local Auto sparky who said he could fix it if only he could get the parts and failed chip and it would only cost a couple of hundred dollars, but they wouldn’t provide him with the chip, or parts because he wasn't a bona fide dealer/repair facility and to become one of those, he would have to pay the company thousands a year and would send him broke. So the EV owner got it towed to the dealer in Hobart and it cost over $1500 to get fixed, plus the cost of the chips and parts.

There's a seed oil which would replace fossil fuels, reduce harmful emissions by over 80% and provide low costs to every diesel user and needs very little processing, it can also be used to produce biodegradable plastics and other commodities. It's classed as a weed and you see it along the roads everywhere, producing around 50% of oil from it's seed and grows in many conditions, it's called wild radish and is perfect for diesel engines because it contains not fats. It would give the farming industry a constant stable income and reduce fuel costs dramatically, which would flow on to commodities.

Simple answers for everything if we had people in power who had the brains to look, but not one of them could run a deserted dunny in the middle desert, just their egos and ideological fantasies which never come true.

Just to add to our dilemma, they federal and state governments are now considering taxing the family home, because they say home owners are getting rent free accommodation and by taxing home owners, it would put them in line with renters and bring equality to the housing industry. You can't get any more warped than that, yet as the saying goes, we get what we vote for and that's painfully obvious.

[T1 Terry]

Governments will do anything to cover up their gross economic incompetence and pander to the corporate demand for profit growth at any cost. They federal government only has a few major highways that they pay for, in Tas it's the midlands and every other highway or road is paid for by local government and the state. Of course the feds provide funds to the states for roads, but increasing excise whilst big corporations get discounts for fuel is criminal in my opinion, especially when there's alternatives to the extremely high cost of imported fuels and the never ending uncertainty of fuel supplies, all coming form the northern hemisphere. It's a never ending cycle of charge the people and profit the corporate world, when one of the big problems is the constant influx of immigrants into the country to drive consumerism and corporate profit growth. What we need is economic stability and economic sustainability, not what they call economic growth which is purely corporate profit growth ans nothing more.

We have the answers to all these problems, it's just the idiots in power are controlled by big business and ideological stupidity. Toll roads are making huge profits for corporations, when the people contributed to the cost of the roads and now face constantly increasing costs to use them. In my opinion we are on a road to nowhere with just disaster after disaster ahead.

If they wanted to reduce costs to the people, pollution and drive our economy, instead of giving our money to corporations and overseas greed, because most of our money goes overseas in the end through fuel, vehicles and increasingly all aspects of the vehicle consumer industries. Try getting an EV fixed by a local business, you have to go to the vehicle distributor. Where I live there's very few EV's and a person that has a secondhand one had a problem, so took it to our local Auto sparky who said he could fix it if only he could get the parts and failed chip and it would only cost a couple of hundred dollars, but they wouldn’t provide him with the chip, or parts because he wasn't a bona fide dealer/repair facility and to become one of those, he would have to pay the company thousands a year and would send him broke. So the EV owner got it towed to the dealer in Hobart and it cost over $1500 to get fixed, plus the cost of the chips and parts.

There's a seed oil which would replace fossil fuels, reduce harmful emissions by over 80% and provide low costs to every diesel user and needs very little processing, it can also be used to produce biodegradable plastics and other commodities. It's classed as a weed and you see it along the roads everywhere, producing around 50% of oil from it's seed and grows in many conditions, it's called wild radish and is perfect for diesel engines because it contains not fats. It would give the farming industry a constant stable income and reduce fuel costs dramatically, which would flow on to commodities.

Simple answers for everything if we had people in power who had the brains to look, but not one of them could run a deserted dunny in the middle desert, just their egos and ideological fantasies which never come true.

Just to add to our dilemma, they federal and state governments are now considering taxing the family home, because they say home owners are getting rent free accommodation and by taxing home owners, it would put them in line with renters and bring equality to the housing industry. You can't get any more warped than that, yet as the saying goes, we get what we vote for and that's painfully obvious.

The chat over breakfast must be interesting at your place NP

T1 Terry