The USA is attempting to shift chip production back home

[Greynomad]

Just wondering if Don Taco believes that bringing chip manufacturing back into the Good Old USofA requires nothing more than the installation of a coupla hundred thousand deep fat fryers…

[T1 Terry]

Just wondering if Don Taco believes that bringing chip manufacturing back into the Good Old USofA requires nothing more than the installation of a coupla hundred thousand deep fat fryers…

Come on, DJT knows Maccas chips are the best, no need to get other countries to build factories to make different chips.

If you believe anything of what you read, both of the big mobs attempting to set up chip manufacturing in the USA are running into problems related to where they established their plants and the technology they are bringing with them ..... but both are suffering the same problem with the basic materials required, water, air, sulphuric acid and the quality of the silicon wafer itself .... none of that is readily available on US soil, so they both have to either produce their own or import it ...... air and water filters required to get the level of purity aren't available in the US, sulphuric acid and the silicon chips material is imported ..... not really what DJT was planning, yet another manufacturing facility reliant on imports ..... the one he is having the most difficulty accepting is the technical talent required is available in the US, all the way down to designing and building the plants and support infrastructure itself ....... everything has to be vibration proof and non vibration producing ..... you can't float a slab and it be vibration proof, attach it to bedrock and any other structure attached to the same bedrock will transmit vibrations up through the foundations ...... way outside the ability of US construction techniques, such is the difference between the 5nm technology last produced in the USA, the 4 nm chips for Apple turned out to be so poor as far as the yield percentage, that they were actually made in Taiwan by TSMC, the same people who are trying to get a high enough yield rate from their 3nm process in the US to make it viable, Samsung in Texas aren't even close to producing anything useable, yet Elon Musk has thrown them a lifeline ..... even though they have never actually produced these small nm size architecture anywhere in the world yet ....

Both IBM and Intel claimed they had produced 2nm technology chips .... but none have ever made it out of the lab into real world production .....

T1 Terry

[BruceS]

Anyone who has been around for a while will realize any country run by workers is doomed. They better quickly move offshore & save themselves.

[jon_d]

Vibrations.... ever been to Taiwan? I have. it shakes constantly from little earth tremors.

[T1 Terry]

Anyone who has been around for a while will realize any country run by workers is doomed. They better quickly move offshore & save themselves.

The USA won't suffer that problem, of all the things you could call DJT, a worker isn't one of them

T1 Terry

[T1 Terry]

Vibrations.... ever been to Taiwan? I have. it shakes constantly from little earth tremors.

I doubt you'd find anywhere that didn't suffer a vibration that wouldn't upset a laser burning tracks one on top of the other at the 2.5 nanometre spec ..... it's just that Taiwan have been doing this stuff for a long time, so they know how to build the facilities to a point where any movement or vibration didn't upset the laser sufficiently to cause a problem, resulting in a 97% yield ...... The US does not have this level of skill in its construction workforce and there lies the problem ..... you can steal the technology, you can buy the equipment, you can't buy or can't steal the skills required to make it work .....

T1 Terry

[Greynomad]

T1,
I suspect you’re wrong on that last point.
Tesla shareholders have just voted The Muskrat a ONE TRILLION DOLLAR annual pay packet.
Give him a year or three and he’ll be rich enough to buy the planet — and people with the skills to run it.
Then he’ll ask shareholders to double his current salary, so he can buy God.
It’s only money…

[T1 Terry]

T1,
I suspect you’re wrong on that last point.
Tesla shareholders have just voted The Muskrat a ONE TRILLION DOLLAR annual pay packet.
Give him a year or three and he’ll be rich enough to buy the planet — and people with the skills to run it.
Then he’ll ask shareholders to double his current salary, so he can buy God.
It’s only money…

Maybe not, the devil is in the detail, it is possible his increased pay packet is based on share price and a major investor overseas is p*ssed off big time about the pay rise and may well remove their financial support.
Musk runs on borrowed money, borrowed against his supposed net worth ..... but loans have to be repaid, if he loses this major financial backer, his net worth, the share price and borrowing leverage may vanish in a cloud of loan calls that he can't pay .....

He isn't gambling with his money, he is gambling with shareholders money that has been used as leverage for these never ending loans ... it is clear he doesn't have the money to actually back anything himself, any bright idea he has, he starts up a capitol raising round to finance it and uses that for loans .....

What he is worth on paper is not what he would be worth in a fire sale ..... big talk can't get you all the way out of a very deep hole if you are so far down, no one can hear your cries for help ...... or they might just ignore them if they are in a bad situation themselves .......

A house of cards collapses with a card losing grip, anywhere in the stack .....

T1 Terry

[Greynomad]

He isn't gambling with his money, he is gambling with shareholders money that has been used as leverage for these never ending loans ... it is clear he doesn't have the money to actually back anything himself, any bright idea he has, he starts up a capitol raising round to finance it and uses that for loans .....

What he is worth on paper is not what he would be worth in a fire sale ..... big talk can't get you all the way out of a very deep hole if you are so far down, no one can hear your cries for help ...... or they might just ignore them if they are in a bad situation themselves .......

A house of cards collapses with a card losing grip, anywhere in the stack .....

T1 Terry

Isn’t that the way the stock market has always operated?