240V regulations?

[BruceS]

I have often wondered if ALL 240V comes under the 'regulations' or is it just the 240V that is MAINS connected?
For instance if I have a bush block 5km from the nearest public supply grid/line & wish to run a BIG 240V generator to power my wig-wam, does it need all the red tape or not?
I have no interest in discussing dangers or dobbing in......... just whether every little bit of 240V power comes under the regulating authorities or not.

[T1 Terry]

What shade of grey were you hoping for boss there are so many grey areas when it comes to off grid applications, like, who has the power to enforce any actions?
as far as I see it, the appropriate Aust standards become a good guide, if a tradesperson was to do the job they would be bound by the Aust Standards rules, but if it was done by a non tradesperson and anyone was injured or killed the person building the system would need to do a lot of fast talking and really convincingly at the coroners inquest to stay out of gaol. If it were a premises used by the general public then a duty of care would required the work to be performed by a tradesperson, but it was a private house or the like, not connected to the grid, self powered….. if a man expresses an opinion in the forest where no one can hear, is he still wrong?

[oldtrack123]

I have often wondered if ALL 240V comes under the 'regulations' or is it just the 240V that is MAINS connected?
For instance if I have a bush block 5km from the nearest public supply grid/line & wish to run a BIG 240V generator to power my wig-wam, does it need all the red tape or not?
I have no interest in discussing dangers or dobbing in......... just whether every little bit of 240V power comes under the regulating authorities or not.

Hi Bruce
State legislation determines what is covered
BUT generally I believe all states have legislation which makes any installation using 50VAC or above , regulated .
ALL the requirements of of both the Standards & the relevant State regulations apply
That means licenced electrician SHALL do ALL fixed wiring in accordance with the relavant Standards & State regs.
Equipment would also need to be approved!


PeterQ

[T1 Terry]

Hi Bruce
State legislation determines what is covered
BUT generally I believe all states have legislation which makes any installation using 50VAC or above , regulated .
ALL the requirements of of both the Standards & the relevant State regulations apply
That means licenced electrician SHALL do ALL fixed wiring in accordance with the relavant Standards & State regs.
Equipment would also need to be approved!


PeterQ

I think you might find, these things only apply where there is a reason for them to be applied. If it is not a place of work where workers may be endangered or a place accessed by the general public where they may be endangered, what are the regulations protecting? I think you will find you can only enforce protection if you can show a danger to a worker or a member of the public.

[pet-els]

There, there to protect YOU.

[T1 Terry]

There, there to protect YOU.

fortunately the rules haven't extended far enough to allow the govt agencies to protect you from yourself, you are still allow to skin your own knuckles, drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes, even though they are known to be harmful to your health.

State legislation determines what is covered
BUT generally I believe all states have legislation which makes any installation using 50VAC or above , regulated .
ALL the requirements of of both the Standards & the relevant State regulations apply
That means licenced electrician SHALL do ALL fixed wiring in accordance with the relavant Standards & State regs.
Equipment would also need to be approved!

If that were true, all 240vac wiring fitted in a caravan or motorhome would need to be installed by a licensed electrician... but that's not the case is it?
In fact it only has a certificate of electrical fitness after it is completed and ready for sale, the electrician certifying it has no real idea about how the wiring was run. Some manufacturers now have plug and play wiring harnesses for motorhomes and caravans, they don't need a licensed electrician at all to install an additional power point.
So, unless the house in the bush was going to be connected to the mains or the work was being done for a 3rd party, or the place was to be sold to another person not involved with the electrical installation, it really would not require certification

[oldtrack123]

Hi
The Rules /Standards , etc apply to stand alone electrical generating systems, If the generated voltage exceeds 50VAC.
The Standards are AS/NZS 3000,AS/NZS3010 & AS 4609
NO matter where installed
The Standards are about protection of lives & property no matter where located in Aus


Each State will have their OWN REGULATIONS specifying who may do what !!

BEST check with your state authority as to what is applicable in YOUR state

PeterQ

[oldtrack123]

[1]
If that were true, all 240vac wiring fitted in a caravan or motorhome would need to be installed by a licensed electrician... but that's not the case is it?
In fact it only has a certificate of electrical fitness after it is completed and ready for sale, the electrician certifying it has no real idea about how the wiring was run.

[2]
Some manufacturers now have plug and play wiring harnesses for motorhomes and caravans, they don't need a licensed electrician at all to install an additional power point.
3]
so, unless the house in the bush was going to be connected to the mains or the work was being done for a 3rd party, or the place was to be sold to another person not involved with the electrical installation, it really would not require certification

HI Terry
[1
]Again that depends on each state's legislation
In qld ALL wiring above 50VAC SHALL be carried out by a licensed electrician

[2]Yes, they can plug the interconnecting pieces
That is acceptable in ALL states where no tools are required but some final connections STILL have to be made BY a licensed electrician who SHALL test & takes responsibility for the ENTIRE installation
when HE issues a compliance certificate!
That includes vans ,motor home ,etc

[3]
Connecting to the MAINS supply is irrelevant
IT is the Generated voltage that determines what is covered & if the relevant Standards apply
I would not like to be in the shoes of the DIYer who wired up his own generator, if say one of his children, wife , visitor etc had a serious shock or died from electrocution
He would have to find a exceptional good lawyer .quick!!

But you are correct, a compliance CERT IS REQUIRED BY THE SUPPLY AUTHORITIES before CONNECTING TO THE MAINS SUPPLY,
that is a different matter

PeterQ

[BruceS]

It is an interesting subject as I do know of an 'install' that falls into this category.
I'll find out more details from them.

[Dot]

When my parents had their bush block at Beechworth my dad was the first of the "stuff you Noddy" brigade and he was given the price of $1k pr power pole to get power to their place so he bought a huge diesel generator (like the ones on stations) from a defunked hippy mob. Just flicked a switch in his caravan and the beast would thump, thump, thump, away nicely for a few hrs. Never got any OK's from anyone but he did have a sparkie from his work do the necessary wiring..