240V regulations?

[T1 Terry]

I would not like to be in the shoes of the DIYer who wired up his own generator, if say one of his children, wife , visitor etc had a serious shock or died from electrocution
He would have to find a exceptional good lawyer .quick!!

but if the said person had an electricians licence he wouldn't need to find a lawyer? I think a fault within the system due to incorrect connection would need to be proved first. the fact that a caravan or motorhome can be powered by an inverter and the only protection is an RCD which is no protection at all, yet it must be there to cover statutory requirements shows a system that is not up to speed with safety requirement. Then add the fact that 99% of electricians have never heard of a combo RCD/RVD device and wouldn't have the faintest idea how they worked or probably why they would even be required, and the necessity for everything to do done by a licensed electrician really needs to be questioned, why? As I said before, the wiring in commercially built caravan or motorhome isn't done by a licensed electrician.
What is really required is better and easier access to the knowledge to safely do electrical work, Aust and NZ share the same wiring codes, but not the same restrictive rules.

[BruceS]

I can see the answer T1...
The caravan or MH is in effect (according to the law) just an appliance. Just like an electric jug, a hair dryer or electric drill.
I was thinking more along the lines of a house.
An inspector MAY have the authority to come onto my house block to ensure the connection complies as long as I consume power from the grid.
Now if there are no connection to the grid does he still have the authority to come on my property to see what my home made power generating 'system' does & doesn't do?
Maybe we need another Parliamentary Enquiry? lol

[jon_d]

Does the State (in question) legislation prescribe that a house, motorhome, shed or what ever must meet a prescribed electrical wiring standard before it can be connected to a portable generator as prescribed in AS 2790-1989 Electricity generating sets - Transportable (Up to 25 kW)?


If it doesn't then what are the legal reasons stopping you?

Common sense and safety for friends and family is a different thing.

[supersparky]

I think AS 3000 refers to any device that connects to the power grid or has the potential to be connected, like a caravan, motorhome, electric jug etc must comply.
There is another standard AS4509 that applies to stand alone systems. I will have to follow that one up. Just find mention of it in section 7.3 of AS3000
Watch this space.
I see Jd has posted ahead of me about the same sort of thing. Hopefully I can access the applicable AS tomorrow.

[jon_d]

David,

If the motor home was effectively off grid and did not have a AC 240 volt connection point would AS3000 requirement still apply?

[supersparky]

Jon, I will assume you mean with a 240v inverter or generator etc, so I would think that would be considered a stand alone system. When I get hold of AS 4509 I will see what it says. It would be a requirement of AS 3001 anyway.

[oldtrack123]

HI Terry
re "What is really required is better and easier access to the knowledge to safely do electrical work, Aust and NZ share the same wiring codes, but not the same restrictive rules."

You left out the bit where in NZ, a compulsory inspection & compliance cert still needs to be issued by an INDEPENDENT INSPECTOR

PeterQ

[oldtrack123]

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PeterQ

[oldtrack123]

David,

If the motor home was effectively off grid and did not have a AC 240 volt connection point would AS3000 requirement still apply?

J
HI Jon
YES ,It has nothing to do with grid or off grid ,it has to do with safety & property damage!
STATE regulations will be the defining regulations as to WHO can do what
The AS standards including AS /NZS4509 only define what /how it SHALL be done ,NOT BY WHOM
PeterQ

[oldtrack123]

I can see the answer T1...
The caravan or MH is in effect (according to the law) just an appliance. Just like an electric jug, a hair dryer or electric drill.
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HI Bruce
That argument was used for a looong time by the Caravan makers & to some extent still gets some support in VIc
But is not accepted in most other states as far as who can do the wiring , but even In VIC, they shall have a full inspection by a licensed electrician & a compliance cert issued
Appliance are massed produced to a standard model
ALL components & internal wiring is the same& they do not require individual compliance testing
ANY change to that can require a whole NEW approval process
Vans are more one off & EACH requires a compliance certificate!!
If it was just JUST an appliance AS3000 & AS 3001 would not apply!

PeterQ