HI Terry
re" As I said before, the wiring in commercially built caravan or motorhome isn't done by a licensed electrician."
That is a broad statement statement
& one used by the caravan makers for a loong time but again it depends on state legislation
In Qld it is clearly defined ALL FIXED wiring for over 50VAC SHALL be carried out by licensed electricians
THAT includes vans, Dongas, Transportable structures offices ETC & ETC
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Vic has a slighlty different view & tends to follow the "appliance "path for vans
EXCEPT 'appliance do not have to be individually inspected tested & signed of with a compliance certicate like a van has to be
IN VIC
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240V regulations?
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Re: 240V regulations?
HI Bruce
What needs to be highlighted is
"For instance if I have a bush block 5km from the nearest public supply grid/line & wish to run a BIG 240V generator to power my wig-wam, does it need all the red tape or not?BIG @$)V generator "
We are not talking about small "portable" generators up to 25kW
WE would be talking about a PERMANENT installation with It's own specific rquirements for earthing methods, systems ,protection, etc
The Applicable Standards are different again
AS/NZS 3000 PLUS the addsitional or specific requirements of AS/ NZS 3011& AS4509
One More possibly applicable Standard
AS 2790–1989 Electricity generating sets — transportable (up to 25 kW)
PeterQ
What needs to be highlighted is
"For instance if I have a bush block 5km from the nearest public supply grid/line & wish to run a BIG 240V generator to power my wig-wam, does it need all the red tape or not?BIG @$)V generator "
We are not talking about small "portable" generators up to 25kW


WE would be talking about a PERMANENT installation with It's own specific rquirements for earthing methods, systems ,protection, etc
The Applicable Standards are different again

AS/NZS 3000 PLUS the addsitional or specific requirements of AS/ NZS 3011& AS4509

One More possibly applicable Standard
AS 2790–1989 Electricity generating sets — transportable (up to 25 kW)
PeterQ
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Re: 240V regulations?
I worked for a while with a mob that made tower cranes, they were shipped around the country, around the world and off shore oil rigs. None of the wiring in those cranes was installed by licensed electricians, they had an electrical dept, but none of them were licenced. They had to bring contractors in to fix factory wiring. So, how did they get away with it, you sure couldn't say they were appliances
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Re: 240V regulations?
HI TerryT1 Terry wrote:I worked for a while with a mob that made tower cranes, they were shipped around the country, around the world and off shore oil rigs. None of the wiring in those cranes was installed by licensed electricians, they had an electrical dept, but none of them were licenced. They had to bring contractors in to fix factory wiring. So, how did they get away with it, you sure couldn't say they were appliances
It is quite possible they were LICENSED ELECTRICAL FITTERS
That covers THAT type of work
But does not cover electrical installations work which requires ELECTRICAL MECHANICS license[IN QLD}


Some of us have both

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Re: 240V regulations?
Bugger, Now there is another to look up. Does it ever end?oldtrack123 wrote:
The Applicable Standards are different again![]()
AS/NZS 3000 PLUS the addsitional or specific requirements of AS/ NZS 3011& AS4509![]()
One More possibly applicable Standard
AS 2790–1989 Electricity generating sets — transportable (up to 25 kW)
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Re: 240V regulations?
Hi Davidsupersparky wrote: Bugger, Now there is another to look up. Does it ever end?
Something like a couple of hundred Electrical Standards involved, IF one wants to verify EVERY detail of ALL the Electrical standards:lol:
The van supply lead [AS/NZS 3001]alone references EIGHT Standards .
THEN The STATE Regulations have to also be taken into account
When you have a day or two to spare finding & reading ALL the different STATES electrical regulations & Acts can be Interesting

Remember the States legislation are the laws that enforce the Standards
The States can/do make ADDITIONAL rules to be used in conjunction with the Standards

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Re: 240V regulations?
But I'm neither, so they certainly weren't all licensed electriciansoldtrack123 wrote:HI TerryT1 Terry wrote:I worked for a while with a mob that made tower cranes, they were shipped around the country, around the world and off shore oil rigs. None of the wiring in those cranes was installed by licensed electricians, they had an electrical dept, but none of them were licenced. They had to bring contractors in to fix factory wiring. So, how did they get away with it, you sure couldn't say they were appliances
It is quite possible they were LICENSED ELECTRICAL FITTERS
That covers THAT type of work
But does not cover electrical installations work which requires ELECTRICAL MECHANICS license[IN QLD}![]()
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Some of us have both![]()
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Re: 240V regulations?
HI Terry
" there was only one, and he did the parts ordering""
He was probably there to sign of as the licensed electrician/contractor [ license holder]
I was the license holder for the company until the day I retired
But any any electrician could sign on my behalf.
Most of the time I did not know what was going on in the various workshops [5 all told over various parts of Brisabane] until a fault notice came direct to me,for action!!
Some were real doozies,
some were due to electrical accidents in the workshops
Some were even moonlighting jobs done by some of the electricians
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" there was only one, and he did the parts ordering""
He was probably there to sign of as the licensed electrician/contractor [ license holder]

I was the license holder for the company until the day I retired
But any any electrician could sign on my behalf.
Most of the time I did not know what was going on in the various workshops [5 all told over various parts of Brisabane] until a fault notice came direct to me,for action!!
Some were real doozies,


Some were even moonlighting jobs done by some of the electricians

PeterQ