Heating Van

[native pepper]

I'm sure everyone loves their diesel heaters, it's the same with lots environmental and health detrimental commodities humans use and then wonder why their health and environment is effected. But the fumes from a diesel heater are much more carcinogenic than tobacco smoke and many times more polluting and dangerous than wood or gas smoke. The tiny particulates from diesel fumes are extremely dangerous

Diesel fumes contribute to the autism spectrum, as does the use of aluminum cooking utensils, which have been proven to be a major factor in Alzheimer's and respiratory disease. Those exposed to diesel fumes have a 30% more chance of cancer of the lungs, even when you take smoking into account and myeloma has been closely linked to diesel fumes.

Of course if we have sensible rational logical people running our country, rather than brain dead ideologues. We would have shifted all our compression engines to use seed oils, which emit 85% less pollutants, carcinogens and are much much cheaper to produce. They are also environmental friendly, cause no pollution and would provide our farming sector with a guaranteed income for generations. Seed oils also produce plastics and just about anything destructive fossil oils do, at a fraction of the cost and damage. You can dump tonnes of seed oils onto the ground and all that will happen is things would grow better, dumped diesel onto the ground and it kills everything, just as it does to human tissues and organs.

Using seed oils you could run oil heaters without having to worry about polluting and poisoning everyone around you. But we don't have sensible governments or industry, so nothing gets dine to change to a better world.

[Wilbor]

Seriously, are we talking about diesel air heaters? I think the 600ml of diesel burnt over a 12 hour period is not going to destroy the world as we know it. Far less fumes and toxins than emitted by a wood fire burning over the same period.

[BernieQ2]

Plus the world cant grow enough food to feed its self plus use it for fuel .
A proven fact . But I don't condemn your thoughts on it .
Bernie .

[SteveW]

I love the expression "which have been proven to be ...." - of course such statements are never accompanied by the evidence. As it happens, the generation that has used aluminium pans to cook in has proven to be the longest living generation of all time! I offer myself and all my relations who lived into their 90's as evidence and none of them had Alzheimers, not that I can remember, anyway.

[Mrcoolabah1au]

Our heater still working after three years self installed from Australian heating

[Dot]

Still say the rugging up in a cosy bed is the way to go but no guarantee there will be no fumes

[native pepper]

Plus the world cant grow enough food to feed its self plus use it for fuel .
A proven fact . But I don't condemn your thoughts on it .
Bernie .

Bernie, seed oils are not food and unlike supposed food oils, they can be grown on marginal lands that are incapable of growing supposed food oils. They also produce close to twice as much usable oil compared to food oils. and many are weeds. Using them would save us billions a year in imported fuels and put huge amount of money into the farming and rural sectors. It would stop the current direction of feeding multinationals at our expense and rejuvenate our societies.

They are not my thoughts, but established facts, one can find any where on the internet if they're interested in good health, a viable future and decent environment. The planet is way overcrowded with humans and when you consider the amount of wasted food by supposed advanced societies, it doesn't take a degree to work out where the problems lay.

As for aluminum cookware being bad for you, the use of aluminum cookware only came into universal use after WW2 and dementia, was not an understood or diagnosable condition back then. It has only been in the last few years they have made in depth studies into it and before that, there was complete denial within the medical profession as to the effects of aluminum on the brain.

It's now known aluminum has a profound effect on our brains. The heavy use of aluminium foil in cooking is leading some researches to believe it is what's behind the growing incidence of mental disorders. Whether that is the case or not, I wouldn't know. But because of the health issues I've had, have kept well away for aluminum in cooking for over 4 decades and as my diet is very strict, in my 70's have excellent health and fitness. So I'm enjoying my later life, no medications, no illness and the ability to have a great time, sensibly.

As for diesel heaters, no matter how little they use, what they emit is dangerous and heavily polluting, for all around. That s a well known and established fact.

Personally I couldn't care less what people do with their lives, I like to take as much responsibility for my footprint on the planet as I can, without being a nutter or radical. It works economically and environmentally for me
and could do the same for anyone who cared about the future.

We have wonderful technology, but tend to use a lot of it badly, when we could be using it in ways which is not detrimental for the future. I fully understand this is not the approach of the majority, which is the opposite and this is why we are looking at a very uncertain future, in all ways. For us in our later years, it really doesn't matter, but I have kids, grand and great grand kids and don't see our approach of denial and refusal to take responsibility for the future as unimportant.

I'm making these comments purely as information, I'm well used to being put down because of my stance and approach. couldn't count the number of people who have tried to ridicule me because of my approach to life, the majority are dead, or struggling to cope with their illnesses and collapsing physiology, requiring medication to get through their days. Whilst still run every day, work my butt off on the farm and continue to play music professionally a lot. So I know what gives good health and what takes it away, what others do, is their business and it makes no difference to how I communicate or interact with them. I realise decades ago, no one listens to common sense, or rational logic, just the propaganda and lies fed to them by our dying system.

Like most things that are detrimental in our society, I keep well away from those with diesel heaters and am happy to move camp when someone fires them up and it's the same with generators, we quickly move.

[BernieQ2]

Don't get me wrong here NP I like your out look on life...I would like to know the analyst of the exhaust from your cooking oil , having already been used once there for its not normal veg oil who knows what's been mixed with it ..
Marginal land is that because there is no water that's why its marginal...the fertiliser needed would negate the benefit .
People where I live grow rocks cheaper than grass . my lawn is brown I could use the bore to green it but if all done that the underground water would soon disappear .
Where you live in southern Tassie (guessing around Geeveston) is a lot different than here .Temp at the moment is a cool 35deg , you had snow in Tassie yesterday .
Horses for courses .
I have a diesel heater pass's a lot less toxins than the motor home engine . Burning wood is also a pollutant . I also have a wood fire in the house .
So I'm just as guilty . ....I don't normally do long posts .
Bernie .

[native pepper]

Bernie, we are all guilty of polluting the planet, I have a combustion stove at home and wood heater in my bus. It's a matter of taking the least damaging path that counts. People like me don't go off half cocked and take on alternatives without proper investigation of them, otherwise it would be a useless exercise.

The plants that provide the best oils, don't require fertilisers or lots of water. One of the best produces of oil is wild radish, a weed and it will grow in just about any conditions. It provides almost double the usable oil compared to canola, which requires lots of fertiliser to produce decent yields. Don't live down Geeveston way, but on the other side of Storm bay and Bruny island, our soil is sandy and dries out in 5 minutes. We had a fire yesterday and some sleet, temps were around 12-15 and today 22. This is part of the joy of living in Tas, we get variety.

I have a very good idea of what goes into the vegetable oil i use and as it goes through a centrifuge, it is pretty clean. You may be interested to know, the majority of vegetable oils that get recycled, are blended into cattle feed and go through no cleaning or processing. They just let it settle and then add it to the feed stock for mainly diary cows, but it's also used in feed lot cows.

The link below may give you an idea of the differences, the analysis in this pdf revolves around vo and diesel blends, but it does show the bug difference of emissions between them. Using VO, you get better results and if i can find the documents relating to the laboratory tests down on veggie oil, you'd find they release about 85% less noxious gases and cause little environmental damage, compared to diesel. The residue we get from making BD or VO, goes into the ground and where it is all dumped, everything just grows, Try doing that with diesel and diesel engines were first designed to run on vegetable oils, not fossil fuels.

http://www.ijera.com/papers/Vol3_issue6/CC36473478.pdf

Know a few people who run their home heating furnaces on vo and 2 who have diesel heater that they run vo in. Have camped with them a few times and don't have problem with their heaters as they are virtually non polluting and the fumes don't contaminate the ground, they actually ferilise it. My comments are purely to make people aware there are alternatives to their current approach which provide many benefits, including economic ones.

[BernieQ2]

I'm one of those people Bruce mentioned I don't open attachments to much download .
No such thing as a " little " pollution .
Wasn't a bad guess of your location just a bit to far west ....A for effort , have been to your location .
Bernie .