
Lithium facts in practice
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Bruce,
If we have the reserves, how do we refine it?
No refineries in NSW.
one in Qld
one in Vic.
one in WA.
nil in NT
nil in Tas.
nil in ACT.
not sure if SA has one or not.
PeterH
If we have the reserves, how do we refine it?
No refineries in NSW.
one in Qld
one in Vic.
one in WA.
nil in NT
nil in Tas.
nil in ACT.
not sure if SA has one or not.
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We had one once in SA. It is now producing some drinking water out of sea water!
I'd reckon when the time comes the crude will be sent to Singapore for refining on consignment.
Australia has killed off any/all manufacturing/industry with it's high costs. (I won't start a 'war' here)
Ask John how much it costs for fruit pickers? Easier to just pull the trees & go on "enter desired word here".
Beautiful oysters from SA are sent to Vietnam to be shucked & brought back for sale.....
I'd reckon when the time comes the crude will be sent to Singapore for refining on consignment.
Australia has killed off any/all manufacturing/industry with it's high costs. (I won't start a 'war' here)
Ask John how much it costs for fruit pickers? Easier to just pull the trees & go on "enter desired word here".
Beautiful oysters from SA are sent to Vietnam to be shucked & brought back for sale.....
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I saw on possibly the ABC, that a system for converting plastic back to oil has been developed and actually working some where, but I can't remember if it was in Oz or some where else. The bloke spruiking its abilities claimed it could recycle any plastic.
It uses high pressure hot water the granulate it, so the same process could be used to make feed stock for 3D printers.
Once the electrification becomes main stream, the only fuels will be jet fuel, and bio diesel, the real need will be lubrication oils and plastics. we already have synthetic oils that out perform mineral based oils so the lubrication part is covered, that just leaves jet fuel and plastics.
The demand for crude oil will then fall like the demand in buggy whip manufacturing, there will be a market but a rather small market and the end product will be incredibly expensive, much like when petrol first hit the market.
I received a video recently on a re-enactment of the first fuel station purchase but I have no idea how to post the thing or a link on here.
It uses high pressure hot water the granulate it, so the same process could be used to make feed stock for 3D printers.
Once the electrification becomes main stream, the only fuels will be jet fuel, and bio diesel, the real need will be lubrication oils and plastics. we already have synthetic oils that out perform mineral based oils so the lubrication part is covered, that just leaves jet fuel and plastics.
The demand for crude oil will then fall like the demand in buggy whip manufacturing, there will be a market but a rather small market and the end product will be incredibly expensive, much like when petrol first hit the market.
I received a video recently on a re-enactment of the first fuel station purchase but I have no idea how to post the thing or a link on here.
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Terry pretty sure the plastic recycling you're talking about is in Aus, there is also a business which is making biodegradable plastics out of seed oils, which can be recycled and if dumped, just breaks down in the soil to their natural state. I recycle my waste seed oils by putting it in the compost and also to rejuvenate sandy soil, it closes the sand up, retains the water and after awhile nice grass grows.
Had a large patch of real sandy soil which could do nothing with, so sprayed some waste oil on it, cultivated it and the next spring, up came grass and plants. When I dug into it, below the surface was what looked and felt like sandy clay. In reality it's oil soaked sand but does the job of retaining the moisture and plants grow through it and take out the good bits.
Considering the consumption of fossil oil products double every few years it won't be long before we actually run out of viable fossil oil. When we could continue using oils for fuels plastics and many other things, but concentrating on seed oils, not only would it save us billions, but would rejuvenate the farming industry long term and seed oil fuels, produce more than 80% less harmful emissions compared to dirty fossil fuels.
However electric is the way to go for the future and planets viability and that's the direction I'm heading with lifepo4 and in a year or two, we will have the next generation of lithium cells, which my late mate predicted many years ago, lithium/graphene cells and capacitors.
Had a large patch of real sandy soil which could do nothing with, so sprayed some waste oil on it, cultivated it and the next spring, up came grass and plants. When I dug into it, below the surface was what looked and felt like sandy clay. In reality it's oil soaked sand but does the job of retaining the moisture and plants grow through it and take out the good bits.
Considering the consumption of fossil oil products double every few years it won't be long before we actually run out of viable fossil oil. When we could continue using oils for fuels plastics and many other things, but concentrating on seed oils, not only would it save us billions, but would rejuvenate the farming industry long term and seed oil fuels, produce more than 80% less harmful emissions compared to dirty fossil fuels.
However electric is the way to go for the future and planets viability and that's the direction I'm heading with lifepo4 and in a year or two, we will have the next generation of lithium cells, which my late mate predicted many years ago, lithium/graphene cells and capacitors.
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Plastic as well as a lot of other fibres were covered by hemp until the oil companies banned it so they could use their (kinder more echo friendly) products refined from oil. Paper is another example as well as ropes and bags etc that hemp can and was used for.
it also spelled the end to medical use of the oil much to the delight of the Pharmaceuticals. Just imagine how much money they are using to 1 take over a crop that has NO medicinal properties and
patent their proposed synthetic cannabis as well as the loss of incoe to the doctors and the hospitals. Also 1 acre of hemp can produce 400 litres of combustible and lubricating oil twice a year that is able to run motors (see Henry Fords model)
it also spelled the end to medical use of the oil much to the delight of the Pharmaceuticals. Just imagine how much money they are using to 1 take over a crop that has NO medicinal properties and
patent their proposed synthetic cannabis as well as the loss of incoe to the doctors and the hospitals. Also 1 acre of hemp can produce 400 litres of combustible and lubricating oil twice a year that is able to run motors (see Henry Fords model)
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It is an Australian process, saw an extensive interview, building the first plant now. The caution I would express is that, yes a black oily substance is the end result, but no claims were made for it to be useful for anything, no claims were made for it to be turned back to exactly what it started from, so just a tiny sus crept it. (Bit like some NEW battery manufacturers T1 ?)
But yes, it seems fantastic, and, as the plastic has to be sorted, it will create jobs for truckies and taxi drivers who are no longer needed due to self driving vehicles ! Brilliant solution !
I think on 60 minutes on Sunday is a story of a Qantas plane that tried to kill all the passengers, and the "pilots" could not even disconnect the bloody driver (read computer)
I reckon gone rabid computers on planes are more dangerous to flying than our bearded friends. Just look at the grounded Boeings.
Madness.
But yes, it seems fantastic, and, as the plastic has to be sorted, it will create jobs for truckies and taxi drivers who are no longer needed due to self driving vehicles ! Brilliant solution !
I think on 60 minutes on Sunday is a story of a Qantas plane that tried to kill all the passengers, and the "pilots" could not even disconnect the bloody driver (read computer)
I reckon gone rabid computers on planes are more dangerous to flying than our bearded friends. Just look at the grounded Boeings.
Madness.
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The main problem with driverless vehicles, is they all rely upon the GPS and internet to function and we all know how vulnerable those are. Where I live during the terrorist (tourist) season we get lots of idiots who get lost, drive up dead end roads all because they can only drive with a GPS sat nav. We are the only ones on our road, except for a very old lady who lives up the mountain, it's bitumen because of the transfer station further up but every day there's at least one idiot driving up it and finding themselves in the bush because they sat nav said it was the way to back to Hobart. To make matters worse, there are big signs at the bottom of our road which state, no through road, yet these fools continue on driving up the mountain, including caravans.
Yes hemp is the way go for many things which could easily replace fossil oil plastics and many other commodities, it also makes excellent composting material. I have some hemp clothes, including a sun hat, they are comfortable, cool in summer and warm in winter, which has finally come to us with 4 days of rain and my lifpeo4 system this morning with no sun for those days, sits at 13.16v. Having been outside already, the sky is flooded with stars and so my house pack will start charging when it gets light and should be at 13.8v by about 11am, when vacuming and clothes washing will get underway.
Yes hemp is the way go for many things which could easily replace fossil oil plastics and many other commodities, it also makes excellent composting material. I have some hemp clothes, including a sun hat, they are comfortable, cool in summer and warm in winter, which has finally come to us with 4 days of rain and my lifpeo4 system this morning with no sun for those days, sits at 13.16v. Having been outside already, the sky is flooded with stars and so my house pack will start charging when it gets light and should be at 13.8v by about 11am, when vacuming and clothes washing will get underway.
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The "next" lithium battery is already here, the LTO cells. Originally so expensive they were all tiny and used to power medical implants. Now they seem to becoming available out of China at a more cost effective level.
They are 2.4v nom. cells, so more cells required making them not really suitable for RV house batteries due to room required for a battery pack and borderline for an Electric Vehicle due to weight. Where they will come into there own is heavy vehicle traction batteries where weight is less of a problem but very fast recharging and high current release while returning a far higher cycle life than anything on the market at the moment.
I have my doubts about graphene plates making it into the Lithium ferrous battery manufacturing industry. Graphite is co cheap and so easy to spray an ultra thin film onto a cheap conductor like aluminium, the high cost of graphene sheet manufacture will exclude it from this type of use. I can see it being used for conductive road surfaces for induction charging and for footpaths in cities where very fine strings become the network for information flow and even lighting and advertising displays. We already see it at sporting events, where the walls around each level of the spectator areas have ever changing adverts flashing past.
As far as capacitors, the LTO cells will fill that market space in electric vehicles or the new NMC cells, capacitors will come into their own when regenerative charging via induction in the road surface comes into reality. The slowing down of a bus entering a bus station is stored and or transferred to the bus sitting at the station and used to boost the bus departing the station to get back up to speed. Rather than having to carry the weight in the bus, the capacitors will be land based around the bus stop station and share the energy as required.
Possibly this will flow onto the service station/ recharging station network where the station is situated at the base of a long down hill run, the stored charge could be used both for charging top ups and assisting the vehicles travelling in the opposite direction to climb the hill.
The financial debt/credit system associated with such a scheme is mind numbing at the moment, but I think we probably already have the capability now. I can see energy being a form of currency in the not too distant future, the credit from the house feed into the grid goes towards the cost of recharging the vehicle in town or while travelling via inductive plates at intersections where vehicles would be stationary for a period of time.
A very different world is just around the corner, the parking meter will become the charging meter and talk directly to the vehicle, no need to get a ticket and put it on the dash or feed coins into the meter ..... the vehicle will charge via induction plates in the parking spot so no need to plug in ..... it goes on and on ....
T1 Terry
They are 2.4v nom. cells, so more cells required making them not really suitable for RV house batteries due to room required for a battery pack and borderline for an Electric Vehicle due to weight. Where they will come into there own is heavy vehicle traction batteries where weight is less of a problem but very fast recharging and high current release while returning a far higher cycle life than anything on the market at the moment.
I have my doubts about graphene plates making it into the Lithium ferrous battery manufacturing industry. Graphite is co cheap and so easy to spray an ultra thin film onto a cheap conductor like aluminium, the high cost of graphene sheet manufacture will exclude it from this type of use. I can see it being used for conductive road surfaces for induction charging and for footpaths in cities where very fine strings become the network for information flow and even lighting and advertising displays. We already see it at sporting events, where the walls around each level of the spectator areas have ever changing adverts flashing past.
As far as capacitors, the LTO cells will fill that market space in electric vehicles or the new NMC cells, capacitors will come into their own when regenerative charging via induction in the road surface comes into reality. The slowing down of a bus entering a bus station is stored and or transferred to the bus sitting at the station and used to boost the bus departing the station to get back up to speed. Rather than having to carry the weight in the bus, the capacitors will be land based around the bus stop station and share the energy as required.
Possibly this will flow onto the service station/ recharging station network where the station is situated at the base of a long down hill run, the stored charge could be used both for charging top ups and assisting the vehicles travelling in the opposite direction to climb the hill.
The financial debt/credit system associated with such a scheme is mind numbing at the moment, but I think we probably already have the capability now. I can see energy being a form of currency in the not too distant future, the credit from the house feed into the grid goes towards the cost of recharging the vehicle in town or while travelling via inductive plates at intersections where vehicles would be stationary for a period of time.
A very different world is just around the corner, the parking meter will become the charging meter and talk directly to the vehicle, no need to get a ticket and put it on the dash or feed coins into the meter ..... the vehicle will charge via induction plates in the parking spot so no need to plug in ..... it goes on and on ....
T1 Terry
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